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More Wafer - Less Battier

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 12, 2009.

  1. DaDakota

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    As one of Shane's staunches supporters, I think it is time to start limiting his minutes.

    He is clearly struggling this year, and that is hurting the team.....I think he should still start, but I believe it is time to increase Von's minutes.

    Von struggles in the microwave role a bit as he really pushes it trying to score, probably because he knows that if he doesn't do that he gets taken out of the game.

    When he was starting, he was much more calm, and into the team portion of the game, and when his minutes extend, he settles down.

    I love Battier's D, but when he is not hitting any of those wide open 3s, he needs to come off the floor for a bit....we need a bit more offensive punch.

    Slide Ron over to the other team's best wing player and get Wafer into the game earlier.....

    Until Shane starts hitting above 40% of those 3pt shots, he needs to be spending more time on the bench, and Wafer needs to be spending more time on the floor.

    More Wafer please, we need his aggression.

    DD
     
  2. texanskan

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    More Barry less Wafer, I'm sick of all his mistakes
     
  3. jboslett

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    I agree with Wafer's overagressiveness but I'm not convinced it's because he worries about getting taken out. It's an interesting thought and could have legitimacy, but the truth of the matter is I've felt since day 1 that he's very shot happy, regardless of his minutes or playing situation (starting or off the bench). It's great when he's hitting them but it's painful to watch when he's not. I love his attacking nature though and it's clear that he's at his best when he is in that mode instead of the jumpshooting mode.

    Having said that, I'd love to see him pass the ball more once he does get inside. A few times last night he got inside and was only thinking shot, leading to a few very difficult shots which should have been passes. Overall, I agree that more Wafer is needed because Battier has been atrocious.
     
  4. J.Will.Xu

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    I agree.

    But Von has been streaky on hitting his shots.Sometimes he just couldn't find his range.He needs to improve that soon enough to get prepared for the playoffs.

    Plus,Shane gotta get more rest to get his rhythm back.A few games after the All-Star break,Shane came back with dark tan on his skin,his shots fell,is that relevant to his shooting percentage? :rolleyes:
     
  5. DaDakota

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    I just think going into the playoffs, we need players that will step up, and play fearlessly.

    Von is that type of player.....and the team needs his attacking mentality.

    DD
     
  6. J.Will.Xu

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    Come on,Albeit he's been in the league for 4 years,he looks like a rookie to me still.The youth makes mistakes,it's an necessary path to go through for 'em.If he's overcautious with his mistakes,he won't get his shots goin' at the end.

    Aaron Brooks made mistakes on the court when he's running the point for us,I think it's still acceptable.
     
  7. Hayesfan

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    Oh DD... I am ready to fight you on this one.

    In fact I am so fired up that you would make a thread on this I can't think logically to type more than these few lines.

    I will post my rebuttal to this asinine suggestion after UK wins.
     
  8. J.Will.Xu

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    In to his attack mode maybe should we add a stabilizer.That will stabilize his overaggresiveness maybe a little bit I think. ;) Two much needed mentality compounded and when he's hot,I think he's gon be unstoppable. :p
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Ouch, more near cursing, and after being kicked out of your own chat session last night.

    Shame on you Hayes....

    I am just saying that Battier is struggling, and until he gets back to his normal self, we need more of Wafer.

    DD
     
  10. JBIIRockets

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    Battier setting the tone by missing all those 3 point attempts in the first qtr did not help the Rockets last night.
     
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    He'll get back to a solid shooter but he's clearly in a slump right now. A little more Barry wouldn't hurt either.
     
  12. texanskan

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    Wafer is a nice little project for us, I like him getting a few minutes here and there but come on play him over Battier.

    Battier was playing poor earlier on due to still not being 100% recovered from his injury but lets not let a bad stretch of shooting override how much better he has looked on the floor the last 6 weeks.

    I would much rather have Barry getting minutes than Von at this point, much smarter player and a superior passer and shooter.

    As far as Brooks goes, there is no comparison he is 10 times the slasher and creator that Von is of course you let a guy that can get to the rim at will sort through some mistakes
     
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    I thought the whole argument for Shane being on the court was because of all the intangibles and defense. He's not playing 35 mins a night for his 6 points.

    This doesn't make any sense. The whole argument that you and others have had for so long is that he contributes so much to the offense WITHOUT scoring the ball.
     
  14. RV6

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    DD, last night we had 10 more turnovers than LA and 10 less shots. As bad as we shot the 3pt shot we still finished shooting over 51% overall. It does no good to replace shane, who was only reposnible for 4 misses and 2 turnovers until you resolve everyone else's turn over issues. Wafer is one of those issues, among others...I'd agree with you if shootiing efficiecy would have clearly been last night's problem, but it wasnt. We didn't score more because we gave up 19 scoring opportunites in turnovers. All the stats were very even for both team, the biggest gaps were turnovers and shot attempts.
     
  15. Rockets Jones

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    I agree, start Wafer to see how he does, it worked earlier this year against the Celtics. I'm sick of Battier's inability to hit open shots like he does, he's the last Rafer left. Both guys have great weeks but 80% of the games they shoot terrible percentages. Bring Battier off the bench to defend the other team's 6th man or the man Artest is guarding. This is also better for Artest who is naturally a SF, not a SG. Now we have no back-up at SF because Artest is playing SG and Battier SF. It doesn't hurt to try but RA is stubborn so do not count on it, it's not a really a moot point.
     
  16. RV6

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    yeah i agree, i'm not sure why the change now...shane didn't even crack the 30 minute mark last night, he actually did play less, yet he's still THE problem? He's A problem, but not the difference between winning and losing, that's very clear from how the team still won with him playing a lot lost last night with Ron basically taking over his role, heck ron actually played more than shane would normally play.
     
  17. DaDakota

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    He does, but he has to contribute SOME on offense......maybe it is his ankle, or he is still not 100%.....but I am for resting him and getting Von more minutes...

    To me it is quickly becomming a situation like AB and Lowry, play whichever one is playing better.

    Before Artest was here, we needed Battier for his wing defense to cover for McGrady's lack of D, but with Ron, there is more flexibility on defense...let Ron guard the tough wing, but we could really use a jolt of offense.

    Replacing Tmac with Ron got our defense better, but our offense worse (a healthy Tmac)......so I think we need a bit more of an offensive boost which to me is Wafer.....or Barry, I could see a situation for more of him too.

    DD
     
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    Von is streaky with his current role and minutes think back to when he was getting to start evernight, he was out there doing his thing giving it 110%.

    I say lock battier in a gym with a cot and a ball for a week!

    Plus theres no time to rest my friend it only gets harder from here
     
  19. Kracka0476

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    Battier is the starter becuase he can do something Wafer cannot. Play D and make smart decisions with the basket ball. Wafer is right were he needs to be 20 min a night back-up 2 gaurd.
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Can we get some tanning lights in that gym too?

    DD
     

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