More than 100 Republicans threaten to form 3rd party over Trump

I’m going to ponder for a while on who I like less. Jason Miller, Ted Cruz, Matt Gaetz, or Gym Jordan.

 

There's nothing that Trump would like better than for Republicans of conscience to leave and form a new party. This is a two-party system. Democrats hold the left lane. In a fight for the right lane, Trump controls the levers of a mature, extensive operation with a known brand and has the advantage. If his enemies will just self-select to leave, his control will be stronger.

 

History- see Hitler.....

Got to punish Trump.

DD

 

Haven't these 100 Rs already left?

The ex-Rs Lincoln Project et al went head-to-head against Trump in the 2020 election and had what appears to be a marginal impact.

 

His control of what?

They will lose seats in both houses and will not get the presidency if they split the right.

If loving Trump does not get you elected all of his power evaporates.

 

These are not the same people in the Lincoln Project and what are judging as a marginal impact?

 

That's sexist. Why aren't Marjorie Taylor Greene or Lauren Boebert in consideration.

 

Problem is despite all of the venom Trump has shot at McConnell, Pence, Cruz, etc. they don’t have the balls to do anything but sit and take it. They’d never try and wrest the party back from the conspiracy theorists crazies. They know damn well if they split the party the Dems would make huge gains. So like good little cuckolds they just grin and bear it.

 

All of them it's easier none of them are worth a squirrel's fart .

 

In the states vote count.

Lincoln Project were hoping to swing 3-5% of the overall vote, which would have delivered Florida and North Carolina and which would have made Pennsylvania and Wisconsin less close.

 

No hope for the current Republican Party really. Everyone that is a member of that party is trash. Sadly, the Republicans have a chance to win elections due to the disproportionate rural vote and a high level of people that will fall in line to vote Republican no matter what.

 

getting Georgia and Arizona is not marginal.

And flipping Penn and Wisconsin back is not marginal.

Those states vote counted.

 

I hope they do it.

But I expect this mean letter and nothing past it outside of a few former senators and congressmen grumble on MSNBC and CNN that they've lost their party. I mean, they have to know that none of the current GOP leadership will support this or jump ship so they shouldn't even waste time with threats. Just do it.

I do think there is space for a third party that is, as they say, socially liberal/ fiscally conservative, a party like that could hold a lot of sway in a split country and if they weren't holden to vote red no matter what it would add some actual meaningful debate on the floor knowing this person could actually be swayed and negotiated with...but it's pointless if their 3rd party is just the exact same GOP brand with another name, then they just become knockoffs.

 

His control of the Republican Party. And from it, his control over the right. And from that, potentially his control over the country.

You think this would split the party. I don't think it would. There is no room for three parties in this country. Republican voters would find themselves in a prisoner's dilemma. Support the trumpy candidate or let the democrats win. Any former republican running third party will lose. The party is left a little smaller, but trumpier and more united than before.

Conservatives who have a problem with Trump are better served by the McCain-Cheney-Romney model, imo. Stay and fight for the soul of the party, even if you're bound to lose.

 

It has already split the party and was one of the reason Arizona and Georgia flipped and there are 2 democratic senators from Georgia.

Nobody is actually vying for a third party.

At this point it's not about the soul that's gone, it's about not letting the Trump wing get more power and at this point the lesser evil to them is letting the democrats win.

What do you get by fighting for the soul and you lose and they stay in power?

Do you just ignore your morals and principals for the team?

 

You must have missed that part where it said "More than 100 Republicans threaten to form 3rd party over Trump." This is about a third party, or a poor bluff of a third party. And it's not going to work.

Why fight and lose? Because it's better than the take your ball and go home strategy we saw from Jeff Flake or Justin Amash. When you leave in ones and twos, you're replaced and forgotten. If you fight, like Cheney was, allies can at least see you fighting. Maybe they take a little courage. Maybe pitch in a little help. But leaving just concedes the field.

 

From what I read, 2020 election was a huge base turn out election for both sides. Trump was projected to get 65 million votes but got 72 million, so it appears that the base over-turnout overwhelmed whatever effect that the Lincoln Project had? I realize that those number are not state specific.