More insanity in the middle east

Do you suppose the family members were completely ignorant of the bombers intentions to go and kill innocent people? Of course they weren't. They are accomplices as far as I am concerned. Maybe if they called the IDF, their son or daughter would be stopped before they could kill anyone else.

Since the families were not related to the bombers, but actually to the planners, I think it is even worse. They probably know where the men are hiding, or at least who is helping them. Just like Bush said, "You are either with us, or against us."

The Israeli soldiers who are getting Palestinians across the border and selling ammunition to the militants should be shot for treason.

 

so u agree the columbine kids' parents should have been arrested too?

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The unabombers brother turned him in, as mentioned in your post, which is what I was advocating the Palestinians do. Obviously he should not be arrested. Nor should every distant relative of Tim McVeigh. I do hold the Columbine parents accountable, so they should definitely do some time. The kids were making bombs in their freakin car hole for cripes sake. I doubt bin Ladens relatives have any contact with him. I only think that relatives that are in contact and would have a reasonable chance to figure out what was going on should be detained. The article also states that only those supportive of attacks on Israel are being arrested. Any family of McVeigh's that supported future attacks on America should be arrested too, imo. While it is true that only the criminal is arrested, you do not have to physically commit the crime to be complicit. You could harbor a criminal, or pay them to commit the crime and you are just as responsible as the person who does the deed.

 

How do you get from Palestinian suicide bombers who are recruited by terrorist groups, paid by foreign governments to commit murders, and families that are compensated for suicide bombings to friggin Columbine?

You can't arrest and try a dead suicide bomber. I doubt expulsion will do much of anything though, maybe if they threw their families in prison then these suicide bombers would really think twice. It's all pretty sick actually but that would be one way to slow them down. Martyrdom probably doesn't look so enticing if you know your family will rot in prison

 

Well it's pretty hard to punish the guilty when they're already dead.

 

That is probably one of the things this is trying to accomplish. They are arresting family members of a couple of the planners. You can then question them on the whereabouts of the planners or hold them to try to draw the planners out. Its not like they can just go over to Palestine and ask the guy at the gas station how to get to the terrorist safehouses.

 

Well it's pretty hard to punish the guilty when they're already dead.

Well, hell. In America, I think any murderer's parents should now be arrested and put to death if the murderer is shot and killed in the process of committing their crime. Gotta punish someone you know ... can't get the guilty, just get the innocent. That'll help stop murders in America. Fair, too.

 

Hey that's a good point. Random criminals have a lot in common with organized terrorist groups and suicide bombers.

 

Hey that's a good point. Random criminals have a lot in common with organized terrorist groups and suicide bombers.

How is the crime relevant? Is it OK to knowingly jail innocent people in certain instances? What times are OK and what aren't?

I love the fact that civil rights are apparently only important when convenient.

We've gone from Innocent until Proven Guilty to Probably Guilty, Don't Need Proof to Don't Care if they're Guilty in a matter of 10 months.

 

Maybe it doesnt sound fair, but im laying back in my leather chair, swiggin on some juice with no fear of a suicder bomber running through the building I work in blowing myself and coworkers to smitherins. Point is, they deal with their problems becuase they are living through the fear, your not. Switch places and you might have a different view.

 

We're talking about Israel here, not the US. Israel is already a nation that sponsors targeted killings and assasinations. I don't see this as any worse than that and targetting the families of suicide bombers certainly sounds like a deterrent to me. Fair at this point has nothing to do with anything in that part of the world.

I won't pretend that this is any more vicious or disgusting than what goes on in the rest of the Middle East and I don't believe that Israel should be held to a higher standard than the nations that attack it and support it's destruction. That seems to be what the UN is about, keeping Israel under the microscope while the rest of the Middle East tramples over it's citizens.

 

How likely is a family going to house two suicide bombers. And what kind of parents would allow such a thing? Palestinians aren't inhuman barbaric animals even if the actions of a few people says otherwise.

The Israeli government is lashing out irrationally at presumably innocent people who had their children caught up on some insane yet idealistic cause. Giving the Israeli government a blank check that justifies everything they do out of "safety" is like us allowing our government infringe on our rights and privacy in the name of "Homeland Security" without really knowing what rights they are infringing.

This doesn't even make sense to some Isrealis. Why? It won't prevent suicide bombings. It creates a negative opinion in the international security. And it is looked more as a spiteful action than a preventative one.

Israel has a right to safety and protecting its borders. This does nothing for both.

 

wait a second, major...i think you're making a huge leap there. first, being arrested doesn't necessarily mean one is guilty. you have to have reasonable suspicion to make an arrest. if the parents are receiving money after the fact from people like Saddam Hussein, that would qualify as reasonable suspicion in my book....as i understand it, the israelis have reason to believe that the families of these suicide bombers are usually quite involved.

and this is wartime there, major. even the courts in this country have acknowledged that the rules change a little when in wartime. that's just the way it is. this is a country where bombings are a weekly event...it's real easy to judge law enforcement of such a nation when it's thousands of miles away.