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Moon not Top 25 (Sporting News)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Icehouse, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. Icehouse

    Icehouse Member

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    It's published by The Sporting News and here's the list (sorry, no link):

    1. Johnny Unitas
    2. Joe Montana
    3. Otto Graham
    4. John Elway
    5. Sammy Baugh
    6. Dan Marino
    7. Brett Favre
    8. Terry Bradshaw
    9. Roger Staubach
    10. Bart Starr
    11. Fran Tarkenton
    12. Troy Aikman
    13. Steve Young
    14. Sid Luckman
    15. Peyton Manning
    16. Dan Fouts
    17. Bobby Layne
    18. Norm Van Brocklin
    19. Tom Brady
    20. Sonny Jurgensen
    21. Jim Kelly
    22. Y.A. Tittle
    23. Len Dawson
    24. Bob Griese
    25. Joe Namath

    How can Moon not be in the top 25 when he is in the top 5 in all the major passing statistics? :confused:

    Houston athletes get no love.
     
  2. Mulder

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    cuz he's black... No black QB's in the list! oooh racial!

    :D
     
  3. insane man

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    tom brady?

    this is what his 5th actual year that he's played? so in 4 years he makes top 20 all time?
     
  4. Vengeance

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    As with any list, there's a lot to argue about, but two that stand out to me are Tom Brady behind Peyton Manning and Bret Favre behind Marino. Both Marino and Manning are incredible quarterbacks, but Favre and Brady are Super Bowl winners. But that's a highly debatable subject -- I'm a big fan of both those guys, so I'm biased.
     
  5. droxford

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    Warren Moon:

    great pass!
    great pass!
    great pass!
    great pass!
    great pass!
    interception!?!?! He threw right at the defender! What the...???
     
  6. gunn

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    You forgot "fumbled the snap" in there.
     
  7. droxford

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    LOL! Yes! How could I forget!
     
  8. Icehouse

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    But do you deny that he is top 25?
     
  9. droxford

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    Oh, I dunno. He was good, but I don't think he was that good. I just can't imagine that there aren't 25 QB's that are/were better than Moon.
     
  10. Icehouse

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    I would say he was top 25 based on his numbers alone. I know he never won, but neither did some of the other QB's on that list.
     
  11. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    No matter what you say about Moon, he has the stats. He was so incredible in Canada that they couldn't deny him. And of the three most infamous collaspes he was apart of, he had the Oilers in position to win all three. The Buffalo debacle, the 4th and 15 by Elway, and the game against Montana's Chiefs. The Oilers were in position to win all those games.
     
  12. Ottomaton

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    Moon should replace Sonny Jurgensen on NFL experience alone. Jurgensen was super talented but was a drunk and never lived up to his potential. Moon was in the pro bowl 9 times to Jurgensen's 5 appearences. IMHO, the run-n-shoot factor probably unfairly obscures his skills in people's minds. In any case, Jurgensen is probably someone's nostalgia pick more than anything else.
     
  13. steddinotayto

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    when you lead your team to 3 superbowls in those 4 years heck yes he does.

    and Peyton Manning has no business being in the top 15.
     
  14. Roxfan73

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    Where's Bernie Kosar?????
     
  15. david_rocket

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    What? No David Carr! :D

    Now seriously I think Brady is similar to Montana (won superbowls) and Peyton like Marino (have the records but not a championship) I prefer to win championships than have the most impressive record. So I will put Brady over Manning
     
  16. Sishir Chang

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    I like Warren too but considering he didn't even make it to a Superbowl or even a Conference Championship I can't argue too much with that list.
     
  17. Win

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    Yeah, I hate to see Moon miss this list as well, but can't really say he was top 25 - certainly close.

    OTOH, I'm glad to see the Gamblers' Jim Kelly in there. That team ROCKED! ;)
     
  18. Nick

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    The Brady = Montana comparisons should stop strictly at the "winning superbowls." Brady has been better than anybody expected, and the guy just wins games... but he's not (and never will be) a QB who can win it on his own like some of the others on the list.

    Montana was also a winner... he won in college, and that transcended to the pros... but he was also a great great great QB (IMO, the best ever). Imagine the smarts of Manning, more accuracy than any other QB in history, and the most clutch QB ever... all combined into one. The only knock on him was "arm strength"... but I rarely saw a ball that was underthrown or a time where he failed to thread the needle. If anything, his lack of arm strength made his "softer" passes just that much more ideal to be caught.
     
  19. Mr. Brightside

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    Warren Moon would make the wife beaters top 25.
     
  20. Gutter Snipe

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    You're probably right. But then again he didn't get drafted into the NFL because he was black.

    If you want to judge by championships, Peyton and Marino haven't won anything either. Moon has more career professional passing yards than anybody, and he won 5 Grey Cups in a row. Good luck trying to tell someone from Edmonton that Warren Moon wasn't a winner.

    Not that it matters. Football is such a team game that it's almost ridiculous to rank one player as better than another based on championship rings - unless you want Trent Dilfer ranked ahead of Dan Marino.

    Bottom line, it's patently ridiculous not to have Warren Moon in the top 25 QBs of all time.
     

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