Now that Baron Davis has signed do you think we could package Moochie, one of our fours and perhaps one of our heavy contracts to get the bangers that we need? I like Moochie but he is certainly replaceable. and there are quite few teams that could use point guard help. best,
Mooch could be on the way out but I don't think they are gonna pick up a big man. RLewis or another SF would be my guess. If they got rid of Mooch & KT or Mo T, that would alleviate the glut of PF's we have so I don't think they want to trade a PF to get another PF. I would not be surprised to see Mooch go (even though the Rocks have made billboards of him) so you never know.
I don't understand why some people are so set on trading Norris. He was so well-loved when he was paid below market value. Ever since he got his contract, half his fans turned on him.
I've always liked Moochie and he could start for a lot of clubs. He does dribble too damn much, but I won't complain about his contract; that's why he hired Beezelbub as his agent. We do need migraine insurance, and I don't know if we would trade Mooch, unless we had a decent backup for Steve (and I don't think Tierre is that individual, nothing against him).
I think Mooch does dribble to much with that under-control I wouldnt want another back-up PG. There isnt another guy on our team I would want to take the last shot than Mooch. How many times did he win the win the game or take it to OT for us...man hes clutch. He is this teams answer to Elie
Considering how much the Spurs paid for Malik Rose, Moochie is a BARGAIN Everybody rags on Moochie for signing that contract, but it was 22.7 million over six years, which is definitely better than a lot of other contracts (Shandon Anderson, anyone?). He averaged about 14 points and 7 assists per game when he started. He also knows his range and doesn't jack up a bunch of unnecessary three pointers like our power forwards are known to do sometimes. Plus, his quickness and hesitation moves make him very tough to defend
It has a little to do with his contract, and everything to do with regressing. Nothing worse than a player who plays his ass off to earn a big contract, only to slack off once they get their contract. If Moochie can go back to his 00-01 form, then I won't complain at all about him.
Moochie didn't slack off whatsoever. I think he's improved. His averages have gone up and especially when he was asked to start, he produced better than half the pg's in the league. The only problem was that most of the year, we had major injuries which left him as the only player on the floor who could create for himself and teamates from the perimeter. However, isos arn't his greatest strength but we were asking him to do it anyways. I think he did pretty well and proved that he ranks among the best backup pgs in the league.
Talking about Moochie. When you consider the following rumor Antonio Daniels and the Cav, why don't we trade Moochie to Lucas for Ricky Davis, to be our backup off guard. Jul. 30 - Now that the Cavs have traded Andre Miller to the Clippers, they need to turn their attention to getting a big point guard to help out Dajuan Wagner. Daniels is at the top of their list. The Spurs already have Tony Parker and acquired Speedy Claxton in a draft day trade, so Daniels is expendable. Insider first reported two week ago that the teams were talking about a trade that would send Daniels and Steve Smith to the Cavs for Lamond Murray, Tyrone Hill and Chris Mihm. Murray is expendable now that Darius Miles is on board and Mihm won't really fit in with the run-and-gun approach coach John Lucas plans to employ. However, there is some question, league sources told Insider on Monday night, whether the Cavs really want Smith included in the trade. He has only one year left on his contract, but the team is concerned that it would have nowhere to play him next year. If Smith is out of the deal, the Cavs could send Mihm and Jumaine Jones for Daniels or they could send Murray straight up for Daniels. Antonio Daniels San Antonio Spurs Position: G Height: 6-4 Weight: 205 College: Bowling Green '97 Player file | Team stats 2001-02 Statistics PPG 9.2 RPG 2.1 APG 2.8 SPG .59 BPG .15 FG% .440 FT% .752 3P% .291 MPG 26.5 Moochie Norris Houston Rockets Position: G Height: 6-1 Weight: 175 College: West Florida '96 Player file | Team stats 2001-02 Statistics PPG 8.1 RPG 3.0 APG 4.9 SPG .99 BPG .05 FG% .398 FT% .751 3P% .269 MPG 27.4 Ricky Davis Cleveland Cavaliers Position: F Height: 6-7 Weight: 197 College: Iowa '01 Player file | Team stats 2001-02 Statistics PPG 11.7 RPG 3.0 APG 2.2 SPG .84 BPG .28 FG% .481 FT% .790 3P% .314 MPG 23.8
I think with Davis in lala Land Houston should be thankful we have Moochie, he is pretty, depsite what most of you say, I think with him (Davis) in the west we need to be deep at the gaurd postion.
Mooch is replaceable and the bottom line is he's getting paid way too much, the main reason a lot of people turned on him was because he wanted sooo much money, waited and waited to sign that big contract cuz the rox werent offering enough money at first when everyone knows hes not worth what he's getting, i think they ended up paying him cuz he is likeable and good with offcourt stuff, not to mention best buds with other players on the team! If the rox keep him tho, i'll like him still as long as he dont dribble so dang much!
I posted the question not because I have any particular distaste for him being on the team but simply because we are in the middle of the "other" season, the season where management tries to maximize the resources on the teams without exceeding caps. Looking at our starters (ok assumed starters) I think most would agree that our backcourt is in good shape while our front court is full of questions. The main question being who among the front court players is going to work their butt of for a rebound (or defend for that matter). So that being the case I figure Moochie is one of our more expendable players and coupled with some of our other assets we could bring in some front court rebounding and defensive help. It just would not surprise me if other teams are more interested in Moochie than KT or Mo T.
Im very sure he is being shopped....but if he is that hot of a ticket. Dont you think the Rockets would do well to keep him?
there's noway the rocks are going to trade the mooch. there's just no way. he's too good of a backup. he know his role. he's a role player. and he gets the job done. he our spark off the bench. you just don't trade a player like that.
For a guy who isn't asked to do all that much on offense, Moochie sure is lazy as hell defensively. He is too lazy/high to bother to get into a defensive stance, and move around with his man. I could care less what his stats are, when he's giving up 30 points to his opponent. We lack guys who play their asses off on defense, and Moochie is example 1, with Francis being example 1A. Our offense always seemed to sputter when we had Moochie in the game, despite whatever stats you may use. Of course we probably disagree with that, but I don't think you can disagree that he's a horrible defensive player. What we need behind an offensive-minded PG like Francis, is a big PG who can play defense. This is the last thing that Moochie is.
Norris is a bit player(on our team), the leader of DRIBBLE MANIA. Last year it took him half of the season to reach the fitness level of the previous season.The one good thing was he passed the ball to an open Griffin unlike when Francis was the Point Guard. The new game plan will call for less Dribble Mania,more passing to open players and less last second disasters. ( I know about Norris's 3 pt shooting on a few occasions)
i think his popularity is a victim of the Hakeem negotiations last year. Hakeem, Sandon & Mooch all have the devil as their agent (as cle is begining to find out re davis), and the bitterness from the Hakeem "games"/negotiations carried forth to all. While the Haleem "negotiations" were going on, and the rox weren't talking to any other player, there was so much love for free agent moochie (I still want a moochie chia pet! I couldn't find the link to the thread that created it) Moochie wanted ~3.5-4mil a year, and it was negotiated to ~2.5mil a year. He did hold out for a long time, but that was also due to the devil's other clients negotiations being given priority (mooch had "early bird" rights). I think the dribbling issue is just the only valid complaint the people with a little resentment left over from last off season have about Mooch. He was a little wasteful with the ball/clock sometimes, but not to the extent of personal pain often displayed here (tho every loss is painful). I did get very "annoyed" with his wasting of the clock sometimes... Mo T also lost a lot of appeal (to some) for signing his contract in the same time period. I will admit he hasn't played a game since signing, but he WAS (reportedly) in great shape with a "fire in his eyes" (sorry about the cliche usage).
i rather sign a defencive stopper as a backup sg. tierre is not ready for backup minutes yet, so we still need mooch.
mooch did dribble too much last year, but alot of things went wrong. it's hard to judge him when he played with a new cast every night and his starting usually came to a game time decision. i'm willing to give him another year to see if he goes back to his play in 00-01. ideally we'd have bobby jackson back there but i'm alright with the mooch. like someone mentioned, he does have a billboard, does this mean he here to stay?
