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Modern Day Benedict Arnold: What will happen to him and what SHOULD happen to him?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by codell, Mar 23, 2003.

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  1. codell

    codell Member

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    I was so deeply disturbed by the news of a member of the 101st Airborne Division, stationed in Kuwait, facilitating a sneak attack on his fellow soldiers. :( :mad:

    As of this morning, one has died, anoter 11 of them are wounded (5 critically).

    This soldier should thank God that he is not a Marine and that the media isnt all over their camp. Otherwise, I suspect his division might have been judge, jury and executioner right there on the spot.

    Sadly, I am sure this traitor/solider will become a martyr/hero to many of the anti-war protestors (the more fanatical ones) around the world, and especially here in the US.

    I can't help but be reminded of the John Walker Lindh situation. I mean, the media was all over this and no one could ever prove he directly harmed any Americans.

    How big a story is this?

    What will happen to this soldier?

    What SHOULD happen to this soldier?
     
    #1 codell, Mar 23, 2003
  2. Apollo Creed

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    I really don't think that the traitor will become a hero to anti-war protesters. Good soldiers are dead. 99 percent of anti-war people are not against the soldiers, they are protesting to get them home and out of danger. Anyone who praises such a thing is...I don't know. Horrible.
     
    #2 Apollo Creed, Mar 23, 2003
  3. Mrs. JB

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    He should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    I can't imagine that he would become a hero to anyone. Especially to the people who wish to avoid war because they wish to avoid the inevitable loss of life that comes with it.
     
    #3 Mrs. JB, Mar 23, 2003
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    I read in a post here on cc.net last night that the suspect had an arabic last name. Has that been confirmed anywhere? I can tell the suspect is dark-skinned, but I think it would be even bigger news if he were muslim, which would fuel suspicion that terrorist groups have infiltrated our forces.
     
    #4 bigtexxx, Mar 23, 2003
  5. Mrs. JB

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    According to the NYTimes, he is a Muslim convert.
     
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    They should take him up in a plane, handcuff his hands, shackle his feet, cram a grenade in his mouth (busting out as many teeth as possible), pull the pin, and shove his ass out over the city of Baghdad.
    Since that isn't possible I hope he is prosecuted and put to a slow painful death without the chance of parole.
     
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  7. RIET

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    DEATH to the TRAITOR

    :mad:
     
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  8. MacBeth

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    Codell, you know that you are among my favorite people in here, but that was insulting and narrow-minded.
     
    #8 MacBeth, Mar 23, 2003
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    Jim Lacey from cnn said he had an Arabic last name and was Muslim.
     
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  10. drapg

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    I just feel for the Muslim soldiers fighting for our nation now. They will all be under close scrutiny because of this stupid lunatic, even though they are risking their lives just like all other soldiers.
     
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  11. Clutch

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    In contrast, MacBeth has been so complimentary and open-minded throughout this whole thing. :rolleyes:

    Codell was referring to fanatics. Myself, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the statement. I would disagree with one part though - I think especially outside the US, not in it.

    I don't know what I think should happen to the soldier, but I have a pretty good idea what <I>will</I> happen to him: He will be executed.
     
    #11 Clutch, Mar 23, 2003
  12. MacBeth

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    I have been insulting and narrow-minded? I called one poster a nitwit after he stated that he hoped I would be hit with a US missile for being against the war, but other than that have insulted no one...And my opposition to this war is the result of years of study in the filed of military history and peace and conflict resolution, as well as a history of supporting past wars such as the 1st Gulf War...Add to that the fact that my stance on this war is reflective of that of most of the world community, and I fail to comprehend how I deserve the inference of being narrow minded about this...I wasn't calling codell narrow minded for his position on the war, but for his depiction of those opposed to him as being of the kind to celebrate the actions of a murderous traitor.
     
    #12 MacBeth, Mar 23, 2003
  13. treeman

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    Court-martial. Probable execution. If not, life at Leavenworth, where he can expect to get his ass pumped in more ways than one every day for the rest of his life. Needless to say, his career in the US Army is over...

    He was a muslim. Pretty much refused to kill other muslims, but I guess killing his Christian comrades is OK.
     
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  14. codell

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    MacBeth,

    I made a point to say "fanatical" when talking about anti-war protestors. If some on here felt I was lumping all anti-war protestors into this group, then I certainly apologize because that was not my intent. Again, thats why I said "fanatical".

    Certainly, a good majority of anti-war protestors are against the war while supporting our troops. However, I am quite sure there are many factions who are against the war AND the men who facilitate it. Granted, this isnt the 60s, where some of our own refer to our soliders as baby killers and throw rocks at them when they come back from the war, but make no mistake, there are fanatical anti-war protesters who will indeed be vocal in their support for this soldier.
     
    #14 codell, Mar 23, 2003
  15. Clutch

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    Insults are not all name-calling as I didn't see any name-calling in Codell's post but that didn't stop you from labeling it as such. The point was Codell was no more insulting and narrow-minded than you have been. Actually MacBeth, roughly since the war has started, I've found some of your posts to be sarcastic, unreasonable and yes, insulting to (insert political spin label here: "supporters of troops", "pro-war crowd", "warmongers"). To me, it seems in these instances you switch from the long novels that are your calling card to petty Rocketman95-esque mockery of conservatives. I know this because I no longer have to refer to the Cliff Notes version to understand.

    So when you called someone's comments "insulting and narrow-minded", I found it ironic. But in all fairness to you, I could be confusing your posts with those of Batman Jones and Timing since you guys seem like one poster to me.

    I couldn't find an article saying he was Muslim or had a Muslim name until I read the <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030331-435901,00.html">eyewitness account from Time</a>. I agree with Codell - I feel bad for Muslims in the military who are risking their lives just like any other, but could have a tougher go of it now.

    I do have a question though treeman - if this soldier was insubordinate, what's the policy -- is he not arrested and just allowed to hang out with the rest of the troops?
     
    #15 Clutch, Mar 23, 2003
  16. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Sweet. It's been a while since I've been called out by Clutch in a thread I haven't been participating in! I've missed it.
     
    #16 Rocketman95, Mar 23, 2003
  17. Clutch

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    And I meant every word :) Though I wouldn't rule out you having participated in this thread since you could be posing as any number of fake BBS conservative accounts, given your past history of doing so.
     
    #17 Clutch, Mar 23, 2003
  18. Rocketman95

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    I made no more than one, that I recall. And that was about two years ago.
     
    #18 Rocketman95, Mar 23, 2003
  19. Clutch

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    I never thought a Lilo & Stitch quote would be appropriate, but if there's ever a time, this would be it:

    <I>"Hah! That would be irresponsible and unethical. I would never, ever...... make ...... more than one."</I>
     
    #19 Clutch, Mar 23, 2003
  20. MacBeth

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    Since you are dealing in generalities it is impossible to respond...Have I been sarcastic? Probably...but I would assume only in response, and (you have the capability) my restraint and politeness has been pointed out by many other posters, as well as the post length you repeatedly were so, what was the word? ...right, complimentary about. Unreasonable? Again, without specifics, it would be hard to respond...one person's reason is another's bias...And re: insulting...I think you are confusing me, although pro-war merely means in favour of war, and makes no distinction on the reasonablity for same, in which case I was pro-war in '91..I don't see the insult there...but I have never called anyone a warmonger, and the only time I even mentioned the word was to refute it, and then in with regards to Napoleon. Again...I can't refute my insulting behaviour without contextualized specifics...

    Have you found any of the people who agree with you about the war, such as those who have called me a moron, and isiot, a traitor, and who have wished I would be bombed slightly insulting, unreasonable, or sarcastic? Not as extreme as saying someone is in favour of this war, but maybe just a little?
     
    #20 MacBeth, Mar 23, 2003
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