Mobley makes NBA.com week 18 all-star

HeyPartner come on, you can not call 2 follow up rebound scores as a success on a play.

Still 5 for 11 is not bad.

DaDakota

 

I agree with HP on counting the follow ups as successes on the ISO. The play draws a big man to Mobely and allows Cato or Rodgers to get position on the boards, making for the easy follow up.
I was surprised when the ROX seemed to stop running the play down the stretch, right about when the Suns took control, hmmm.

 

DaDakota,

First, this is not my definition. This is Rudy's.

I didn't explain it very well up above. But trust me, I do not give credit to that play when it didn't succeed. I might of missed something when I went to get a beer, but I do not cheat my own analyses just to come to this BBS and post garbage.

Those two put backs were point blank dishes and misses the rattled around a little and were slammed home. Had they been jumpers and long rebounds that reset the offense, then yeah, I'd say 5 for 11. But if Mobley attacks the rim, dishes and we get a slam directly off a rebound because Rogers and Cato went unencumbered to the rim, that play gets credit because Rogers and Cato going to the rim is a major part of the play.

That's what I've being trying to explain for so long. Rogers and Cato slam home Mobley misses a lot, because their man was too focused on Mobley and failed to block out. In this case, I believe Rogers put back a Cato miss, and Cato slammed down his own miss. Those two definitely count.

They were like Barkley going ISO and to the glass and putting back his own little miss. Rudy counts that as a successful play call.

 

Let's make it simple:

I will not count any put backs as success unless they were either from Mobley direct putbacks of his own layup (unlikely) or from a unencumbered rebound/putback by the play's 2 weak-side cutters.

Any putbacks that involved the rebounder then scoring against a defender or from farther than point blank range, is an individual play, not part of the ISO.


fair enough?

[This message has been edited by heypartner (edited March 08, 2000).]

 

Nope, sorry that skews the totals.

A play is only sucessful if it works. By your definition, a heave from half court, if the man was double teamed and is slammed home constitutes success. (Like the NC State shot vs UH in the early 80's)

I am glad that Mobley draws attention as he goes to the rim, but it only counts as a good play if he dishes off as an assist.

I do not mind the ISO if it is working, but a good friend of mine reminded me of something the other day, he said it is not a mismatch if the man you are guarding is scoring too, and Penny was eating Cuttino for lunch.

In addition did you see late in the game where the suns took away the ISO and the Rockets had NO other alternative. TOO ONE DIMESIONAL, we need a post game to compliment our ISO guard play.

I think we should be posting KT up more often to mix it up a bit and to see if he is the answer on the low block.

DaDakota

 

Ok heypartner...Im not seeing some of the
iso's ran on your list.

Off hand I can think of one where Mobley
drove the lane and turned the ball over
underneath

On another play he drove lane and tried
to last second swing it out to Francis standing at the top of the Arc, and it was swiped before it got there. Leading to a fastbreak for the Suns.

 

stats in: the ISO play had a 7 for 11 success rate last night when Mobley ran it.

1. pull-up J good
2. lay-up miss no rebound
3. pull-up J good
4. drive: TO
5. lay-up good
6. Cato follow good
7. Mobley free-throws
8. Rogers follow good
9. Mobley long shot--miss
10.swing pass open shot--miss
11.swing pass open shot--good

Cato and Rogers make all the difference in the world.

 

first off,

DaDakota, you really don't get it. This is Rudy's definition of play success. dense.

Dreamshake...I counted 7 for 11 while sitting at the game with no notepad and no tape. 7 for 11 was what I got with a friend counting with me. I remember all the makes visually, but only counted the unsuccess.

Although it may appear, I'm not so geeky that I go to games and tape them then reply them ad nauseum. Games I have tickets to, I don't tape. But still, I counted 7 for 11. If you all can't accept those odds, then tape the damn game and prove me wrong. Don't pick at me cause you recall two TOs. I've been tracking this damn boring ISO play since December, wondering why the hell Rudy keeps calling it.

I will keep posting the success rate, until you all tape it yourself and count it according to Rudy's count.

do it dreamshake...you'll be surprised. I trust you to give the ISO a fair look. but not Dodge Dakota.

 

notice i also counted Mobley for 3 baskets in the ISO. He made 5 for the game.

I'm not counted his shots not in ISO. Point being, I'm not measuring Mobley, just the ISO play.

 

Hey Partner,

I completely GET IT. I just don't agree, with you or Rudy.

I have the game on tape, and could actually count the ISO plays, but I would rather tape over it and watch the UTAh game tonight.

DaDakota

 

I'm going to trust partner on this one.

 

Firstly, I don't have to knit pick with you over the success rate. Those were two plays that stuck out in my head that wasn't on your list.

there's a big difference in 7-11 and 5 for 13. ( discounting the two plays DaDakota and you are discussing)

Before you were verifying Rudy's claims of success rate, I was doing the same thing for the success rate of the Post up Offense. Complete with taking notes, and posting every possesion's success, or unsuccess. I never found it to be close to the 50-75 percent success rate Rudy was claiming. This was at the height of me complaining about the Dump it down offense, and other posters saying that Rudy claimed it to be at least 50 percent successful. Personally, its easy to understand that if any play was successful 50 percent of the time, there would be no need to even have a season as that team would be assured of a title.

Don't take it personal. I was trying to add to the accuracy of your post. Next time, calm down man.

 

Any coach in any sport would certainly consider a play a success if it resulted in his offense gaining an advantage and then scoring off the advantage. Certainly a chippy putback by an uncovered offensive player under the basket would be considered a success. He's not uncovered because he has bad breath, its because of the play. And yes, you would also consider it a success when Charles backed into the lane, got a shot bouncing on the rim and put it back in for a score. It is also a success if he draws the foul.

 

sorry DaDakota,,,I was a little too frisky in that last post. Note the bar time. We had a little celebration last night.

I don't necessarily agree with the ISO play either. It's a damn ugly play. It better produce, or I'm going to start bashing Rudy. Trust me; I'll tell you when it stops producing.