The rockets sign Chris Webber. Cuttino is not disipline enough to come down the court and dump the ball into Chris Webber. Neither will he have space to drive to the basket with Chris Webber filling up the lane since Webber will command so much attention down there. It has, also, yet to be proven if he can move well enough without the ball to run pnr's or to be a cutter. I think what will end up happening is Cuttino will just jack up shots whenever he thinks he is open, not that don't do that now. But if we sign Webber, this will hurt our team rather than help it win. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Exactly the opposite. Webber would command double teams, which would then open up lanes for the Rockets guards. Also, one of the reasons Webber is even considering Houston is because he likes our backcourt. ------------------
PLUS, Webber is perfect at passing to a cutting guard. this would help Cuttino AND Shandon... ------------------
What's the use of getting Webber if we are getting rid of ANOTHER scoring option? And since when is a slashing guard a bad fit for a mobile big man? Mobley takes bad shots at times, but you act like he just takes bad shot after bad shot and that's not true, or he wouldn't be averaging nearly 20 points a game. ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . .
I do like Shandon in this instance. But Cuttino is not one to give up the ball. TPL, yes Webber will command double teams, but that pre-supposes that some player is trying to either get him the ball or he has the ball, and I don't see Cuttino in the role of a cutter, since he wants to beat his man off the dribble so much. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
What do you mean? He slashes to the basket the majority of the time, how do you think he gets to the line? And in several many of the games he has played the past few weeks he has had 3, 4, or 5 assist. Of course he gives up the ball, that's how we're winning the way we are. Granted he makes silly mistakes, but he would fit in fine with Webber. ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . . [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited February 25, 2001).]
The other day, Francis said that Mo is really a 3 playing at the 4 position, so I think Steve expects Mo to move to SF if Webber comes here. I think Mo will stay, if we get Webber. I don't know about Anderson. Hopefully, he'll be willing to come in come off the bench like Mobely did, behind Mobely and Mo. The other challenge will be to see if we can get Dream to stay, and play for less, when he could get more on the market. We'll learn how dedicated he truly is to Houston fans, when he could go all the way with Webber here. If so, next year we could have: Dream/Collier/Diop Webber/Thomas Taylor/Langhi/Morris Mobely/Anderson Francis/Norris ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
You know, I think that Mo would do fine at the SF spot. I think that he is faster then people realize, and if he loses a few pounds, not muscle, I think he could move in their fine. He is able to put the ball on the floor, he is fast, and he can play away from the basket. I think he would be better scoring away from the basket and creating shots then going in the post and posting up. And he wouldn't be any worse on defense then Glen Rice, or Rick Fox, or Anthony Mason or Wally Szczerbiak or Donyell Marshall or SFs like that who are a bit slow footed. I think a frontline of Webber, Mo, and a quality center would be awesome. It would help against the Blazers and Spurs of the league. ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . .
The point is if and when Webber becomes a part of the rockets he will command the ball 25-30 touches a game. Mobley will then have to ajust his game. Sure, in theory he should have an easier time scoring. But because the first option will be Chris and not him, he must learn how to get open without the ball. He hasn't had a chance to prove that he can get open without the ball in Houston yet. What he has proved is that he is prone to take ill-advised shots. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
Well Francis hasn't shown that he is able to get free without the ball, that doesn't mean he isn't a good fit. And Webber is used to spreading the wealth, just look at Sacramento possibly the most balanced team in the NBA. Sure he's prone to taking bad shots, so is Francis. So is Moochie and Jason Williams on the Kings. It's youth. It comes with the territory. ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . .
I ask again, and again: would Webber be better for us at C? ------------------ Sometimes you gotta do the next best thing!
if we do sign webber , then mobley will prolly avg. about 14 pts a game which is similar to what christie is doing in Sactown. i also think that he will vastly improve his defensive capablities b\c he is right quik and cud conceivably avergae 2 stls a game. francis should avg roughly 19 pts, 7.5 asts, 6 rebs and webber will avg. ab 25 pts, 10 rebs,4 asts. ------------------
Don't forget that Webber spends as much time operating at the top of the key as he does in the post... So when Webber is up top with the ball, he can dish to a slashing Cat... Or just stay at the top, let Cuttino slash to the bucket, and cuttino can put up the layup or toss it to Webber for the open J... Webber can stick the open J... ------------------ Check out my homepage! Loads of sports pics! http://www.public.asu.edu/~sykim/
100% agree with kbm that's why I hope the Rockets trade Mobley for Odom (only IF we can land C-Webb here.) Odom will be the perfect fit w/ C-Webb and Francis. Though we'll have the cap space to sign Webber straight up, however, the best for us is that Webber wants to come here and force the Kings to do a S&T deal. We could sign Taylor for about $7M per and then trade him(he has to agree) w/ Cato($6M) and maybe the 1st Rd pick from Milwakee to the Kings. Thus we'll have about $4M left to sign another FA(and to re-sign our FAs,) and of corse, we'll still have the $4M exception(how about use it on Scott Pollard) the best line-up we could expect is: Dream/ Pollard/ Collier Webber/ Thomas/ Rogers Odom/ Williams/ Langhi Anderson/ T. Hassell(#14pick) Francis/ Norris still a very good backcourt plus the best frontcourt in the league.
I don't understand this sudden reaction to Cat and what he does on the floor. Sure Cat shoots a lot, and some of his shots are entirely ill-advised. But do you know why he continues to shoot? It's because Rudy tells him to shoot. Rudy tells him to shoot, because he knows that Mobley is one of our best offensive weapons. If we sign CWebb, I can almost guaruntee you that Rudy will tell Cat to shoot less and make sure that he looks for Webber. If Cat doesn't do this, he will be benched. Let's everyone keep in mind that this is Rudy's team, and the offense that is being played right now is a result of his planning, and not Mobley's meer whim and desire. ------------------ "all your base are belong to us!" "you have no chance to survive make your time!"
We need cat or we're toast. ------------------ We can reach our destination, but it's still a ways away.
What makes you think the Clippers would trade Odom? Especially for a guard when they're loaded with guards? And Webber said that Mobley and Francis are one of the best backcourts in the NBA that's why he wants to come, he isn't coming if we trade away Mobley like you want. He AND Francis would be upset, then Francis would probably walk in a few years when his deal is up. ------------------ Dream a deadly Dream. . .
Wasn't it Mobley who in his rookie year ran the offense through Dream & CB4? So to say he can play in that kind of offense is wrong. AS a matter of fact Dream & CB4 played better with Mobley at the point than with Francis last year. Also in Sac Webber doesn't post up as much as many believe. He likes to get the ball away from the basket and use more of his quickness to beat his man. He does have a nice post up game but he's definetely not a clone of CB4.
This is a fun game. Allow me to take a position no one else has: Webber's presence will increase Mobley's scoring, by increasing his FG%. The 4 out 1 system that Rudy is playing is designed for Francis, Mobley, Shandon and Webber, and their style of play. IMO, Rudy has picked the best system to match his guards, and he is in search of the missing PF piece (no slight to Mo' intended). The system can most definitely increase guard productivity by injecting a superstar PF, especially one that can play the pivot. Why would Mobley's production go up with Mo', just when Mo' is really starting to gel on his own, yet Webber's presence will make Mobley a 14 ppg scorer? Mabye a computer game works that way, but when is the last time you've seen a computer game allow you to select offensive system like the 4 out 1 Flex. My argument is, it is not the quantity of touches that measures Mobley's scoring, it is the quantity of touches without being double teamed that lead to his scoring. The double teams will go down with Webber's presence, so Mobley's scoring goes up and becomes instantly more efficient. What I see happening when Webber signs with the Rockets is Rudy drooling over Mobley even more, which I base on the system he has taught the team right now. In my scenario, team scoring becomes concentrated in star production (like Milwaukee) because no one can be doubled. The scoring by peripheral players goes down, because the defense has less ability to force the ball out of 3 playmaker's hands vs 2 stars that we have this year. Mobley gets the ball forced out of his hands, now. Next year with Webber, his drives to the basket will increase, and so will his FG%. Mobley is a star. His production will go up with Webber, because you can't take the ball out of his hands as easily as you can this year. Sorry all you Francis fantasy league guys who dreams of Francis putting up Marbury numbers to win your league, the presence of Webber is more likely to lower Francis's scoring than Mobley. Case in point, Isiah Thomas's scoring went down every year of the '80s after his high point (which was his 2nd year if I'm not mistaken), while Dumar's scoring went up every year, culminating in him becoming the team leader in scoring. Overall production goes up for each star, not down for Mobley. Francis will do the system best to put up Cassell numbers. Taking playmaking chores out of Mobley's hands (essentially making him a Maxwell) is a mistake that only makes sense in computer games. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited February 27, 2001).]
Heypartner, you know, when I started this thread, I was thinking about maxwell myself. Poor shot selection, selfish, three point shot attempts. I felt Mobley could easily turn into mad max. Webber will not clear out while Mobley takes his man one-on-one! So, I might be wrong but doesn't that mean the offense will be run through Webber in the same way as it did with Hakeem? And if so, how does a slashing guard who, imo, would have a hard time moving to the open spot on the floor and draining jump shots, score? I assume that he would be most effective in pnr situations, slashing to the basket, etc. My hope is that that is what he will do but I am not convinced. ------------------ I am an invisible man.
