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Mobley-fourth option

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Khal80, Mar 20, 2003.

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  1. Khal80

    Khal80 Member

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    Fred Carter: They shoot more shots than Yao does. Francis can have the ball, but Mobley has to be a third or fourth option instead of No. 2. I don't mind Francis, but the big guy needs more shot. Once they learn to play inside out instead of outside in, they will be a much better team.


    What do you guys think
     
  2. story_teller

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    THANK YOU! carayip (sp?) and I -- and some others -- have been saying this for the past few days. It HAS to be go through Yao-Francis. I'm glad an "expert" or TV personality has said this! Mobley thinks he's better than he is. He won't accept a third or certainly fourth-option role.
     
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    BTW, jiggyness -- where/when did Carter say this? And do you have a link?
     
  4. Khal80

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    i think yest or today on espn chat.....just go the the chat wraps on espn.com then nba
     
  5. Fegwu

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    No you are wrong.

    It has to go through Yao ONLY. Then Motay if he is on the floor. Everybody else should learn to hit open shots, rebound and feed Yao the damn including Stevie.

    These are critical times - there is no need leaving the ball in the hands of dumb players like Francis and Mobley to carry the team.

    Oh btw, Steve should learn also to play a little defense every now and then damnit.
     
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    I agree that Mobley needs to defer to Yao and Francis.
    Trouble is Rudy and Larry do not think so or do not enforce that rule. Mobley still gets his 40 minutes and all the shots he wants even when he started 0 for 10.
     
  7. Khal80

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    IMO, i think mobley should get a bulf of minutes but shouldnt be one of the leaders in mins played,,,,i think rudy should think of playing hawk more...lately hitting his shots and thats just bonus,,,,he thrives on his D,,,that way the player on the court know hes the fourth fifth option on the court leaving the rest to franchise, ming, taylor/griffen and the rest to rely on open looks and slashes
     
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    Yeah, and about that. Why does Mobley get soooo many minutes every game? He doesn't earn the number of minutes he's getting on a consistent basis.
     
  9. LiTtLeY1521

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    I definitely agree.
    Our franchise players.............of course it's Steve Francis....and Yao Ming.
    I don't understand why Maurice Taylor, Eddie Griffin, Cuttino Mobley, and others take more shots than Steve Francis and Yao Ming.
    Yao Ming and Steve Francis have to be taking the most shots. They are our best players. They should be taking the shots. I like how Francis is thinking team-first and all. But it's kinda awkward. He's even giving up very open shots.
    Yao needs to be more aggressive and find ways to adjust to different defenses.
    THEY SHOULD BE TAKING THE SHOTS.
    MAURICE TAYLOR IS OUR THIRD OPTION.
    Mobley is our fourth option.
    Glen Rice is our fifth....or Posey.
    But Mobley needs to stop doing ISO so much. He should be catching and shooting.
    Everything should go through Yao or Mo Taylor. And Francis should be shooting.
    I wish he could be scoring 22 with 6 rebounds and 8 assists.
    Mobley ain't our go-to guy. For at least once, Francis should ignore Mobley and just take it himself. But then everyone will criticize Steve and say he's selfish...
    So complicated.
    FIRST. We need our coach back. Larry Smith doesn't know how to use Yao at all...
     
  10. story_teller

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    Okay, first off, b/4 I attempt to make a point in this reply to your reply, take off your "I hate Francis"glasses. Secondly, I'm glad you're not the coach of the Rockets or they would be even more inconsitent than they already are.

    All right...now. Have you watched the Rockets games lately? ONE of the problems is that they go to Taylor too much. Blazers commentators even said "Why are they going to Taylor so much in the crunch-time when they have Yao Ming and Steve Francis on the floor? Makes no sense to me."

    Oh something else they said, "This is why they don't like having Yao and Taylor on the court @ the same time; Yao would never see the ball b/c all Taylor likes to do is shoot."

    Guy, Taylor came off the bench and actually took more shots than Francis and Yao, even though Stevie and Yao were a combined 11-19 and Taylor was 5-13, 6-13 or something like that (it was under 50% I know). And tell your buddy to get more boards, blocked shots or something. It takes more than offense to help a team win. y'know? He either holds the ball and shoots or dribbles between his legs then shoot.


    And speaking of bad defense, what the hell was Taylor doing @ the PF position? He certainly wasn't decent on that end with his lazy as*. Francis is a decent defender (not a Steve Nash). He gets burnt when it comes to screens (getting around them) and when his player goes to the hoop backdoor. A LOT of work needed, though for sure. He's number eight I think in steals -- and sure you can say that's b/c he takes chances -- but players that are considered the best defenders in the NBA are in the top ten in steals. Iverson, Christie, Marion, Kobe, Artest, McKie, etc.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. Taylor would be a great third-option. And the onyl way I see Mobley being a fourth-option is if he comes of the bench b/c you know if he gets the minutes he keeps getting he's going to continue to jack-up shots like he's the best player on the team.
     
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    mobley 4th option? please :rolleyes:

    how about, "mobley... some other team's option"?

    seriously...
    ming and francis are the first two options. everybody else role players. no third option. no fourth option. no fifth option. we need role players.

    during the first championship season, who was our first option? hakeem. who was our second option? nobody. every body else was a role player.

    during the second championship season, who were are first and second options? hakeem and drexler. who was our third option? nobody. everybody else was a role player.

    two options is all you need.... if everybody else knows their role.
     
  14. Air Langhi

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    The rockets aren't the lakers and yao and steve arent as good as shaq and kobe if they were just surrounded by role players the rockets would suck. I think they need a good third option like mobley to be good.
     
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    Could you imagine Kobe become the superstar he's now when he played with NVE and Eddie Jones? The fact is that Yao is already our 2nd best offensive option (can potentially be our best option as well) and deserves the touches and shots his talents merit to become the best player he can be. It may take a bit of developing time and growing pain but the award could be huge. Mobley, Taylor, Griffin, Posey etc etc should accept and act like the role players now and look for Yao and Francis before their own shots every single time or they should let go like Lakers did with NVE and Eddie Jones.

    My 2 cents. :)
     
  16. Deuce

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    It shound be pretty basic. Francis and Yao are our best players. Francis and Yao are our All Stars. Francis and Yao should get the most shots with everyone else getting less than them. That is the way it is in the NBA with every other team and their stars. Now make it happen! :p
     
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    You never see Horry come off the bench and jack up more shots that either Kobe or Shaq.

    Franchise and Yao should each take 15 shots a game at a minimum.

    Mobley around 10 shots, if he's not hitting, sit him down and put Hawk in. No reason to keep rewarding him with 42 min a game if hes going to be selfish and not help the team win.

    One last note: Get rid of the d@mn ISOs:mad: :mad: :mad:
     
  18. story_teller

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    Of course Yao and Stevie aren't Shaq and Kobe, but given the chance they can/will be a pretty damn good duo. But how could that even attempt to happen with a player like Mobley who thinks he's no worse than a number two option?

    And to the person that used the Lakers scenario with Kobe...great example! Kobe would have never been able to blossom with Shaq if not for the tradings of Jones (essentially a very poor man's Kobe) and Nick the Quick.

    Seems like that's what needs to happen with Cat and whoever else can't accept a lesser role behind Yao, Francis.
     
  19. WinkFan

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    Motay? How in the hell do you justify that? Let's hear why we should go to Motay instead of Steve. I can't find a reason.
     
  20. bigballerj

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    I 2nd that. If MoT is our go-to player, we are in DEEP TROUBLE.
     

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