My calculation last night of $6.1m starting salary with 12.5% raises was $30,000 off. I'm not really happy until we nail it on the nose? Well, turns out Mo' is only entitled to 10% simple interest raises, since he has no Bird rights. $6.4m at 10% raise over 6 years is EXACTLY $48m. There you have it. btw: those saying $8m per year average is too much, if you add his $2.2m from last year into it, then he is only a little over $7m average for 7 yrs. I don't see how we can complain except for the length of contract. Personally, I like the length. That probably saved us paying a higher starting salary. Remember, the salary cap is growing faster than Mo's raises. He will get cheaper and cheaper each year, which makes him better and better trade bait...should we go that route someday.
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Actually youb were off by $300,000.00 not $30,000 as you stated. But then you are a perfectionist and I know having me point this out will bug the ever-living poop out of you !!!!!!!!!! LOL Thanks,Crispee Critter.
_________________________________________________ btw: those saying $8m per year average is too much, if you add his $2.2m from last year into it, then he is only a little over $7m average for 7 yrs. I don't see how we can complain except for the length of contract. Personally, I like the length. That probably saved us paying a higher starting salary. __________________________________________________ Damn straight. I think its a pretty good deal. Plus he's young and has upside. And he's not a thug or malcontent.
Foresooth and Dang: I thought you said $6.1M First year? $6.4 - $6.1 = 300,000 Mmmmmmmmmmmm. Me thinks my fine feathered critter doth speak in riddles. Dyslexia was lost in my family for years until we found it hiding out in embarassment. It turns out even diseases have standards. We were just so low down on the intelligence scalke that it was beneath him. JOIN the ADFLG: The National Association of Dyslexics and Jugglers Guild
Thanks hp, I actually think it is a great deal. Bear in mind the league average is around $4.0 - 4.5mil this year. I think Mo is worth a premium over that, and we don't need to be all star at every position.
btw: those saying $8m per year average is too much, if you add his $2.2m from last year into it, then he is only a little over $7m average for 7 yrs. I don't see how we can complain except for the length of contract. Personally, I like the length. That probably saved us paying a higher starting salary. I hope that you and everyone else uses this same method of computation when it comes to Shandon's new deal. He took considerably less than market value when he signed here and I have no doubt that his new contract is going to include payback for the last 2 years.
That's a good contract for a young PF with temendous upside. Liek Barkley said, Mo will be a good PF "Once he gets that Clipper out of him". I also don't mind giving Shandon a decent contract, between 4 and 5 million a year. He is an underrated defender, even though people complain that he doesn't hold every guy defends to 4 ppg, he is an ironman, and he fits this team off the bench, and can come in as an emergency SF or SG. If you have Shandon coming off of your bench, or you have a deep bench.
Don't count on it. If Shandon takes more than $4.5m, then we have no center next year. Shandon will have to take $4.5m for us to have any money to spend on Marc Jackson or anyone else. Besides, name me any 5 yr defensive specialists, shooting guards making much more than that, whereas Mo's contract is in line with his production.
You don't honestly believe that, do you? That Mo was paid according to his production? You could certainly get 13 points, 5 rebounds out of a player much cheaper than $48 mil. I like MoTay but he's hardly a star, yet. He was given the money because of potential and chemistry. If he doesn't blossom to 15 and 8, he's overpaid. Shandon's only 27. Yes he's coming off a down year, but he was very good in 99-00. But none of that matters. The fact is that both guys, probably along with Mooch and Bull, agreed to contracts with the Rockets a long time ago. I don't know what that value is yet, but I guarantee you that he would have already signed a free agent contract elsewhere (or at least visited some teams!) if there wasn't a handshake agreement already. Les is a man of his word, and that means that players who come to play for a reduced rate will be compensated down the line. Well, for a couple of our guys, its time to collect.
Seriously, I do. $6.4 is what I expected. Mo' needs a center to produce more scoring worthy of that money. That's all he needs. I really do believe that considering that average salary in the league is $4.5m. I definitely think $6.4m is worth 17ppg at 49% shooting, and I believe Mo can do that. I don't really mean to argue this with you. I am definitely a shrewd negotiator with Shandon. Is itfair? Probably not. But with Hakeem gone, I am definitely looking to save money for a center, whether this summer, this upcoming trading season, or next summer. I'd be very careful with my money, which starts with not giving Shandon more the maximum Early Bird. If he wants more than that and Rudy really wants to keep him, then I'd go balls out for Marc Jackson, lock him up, and give Shandon a 1yr wink wink deal at $4.5m. I find it scarry to give half of our remaining capspace to Shandon.
Ditto. I would much rather spend as much of the cap space as needed to land a good center. We are in serious trouble at that position, while we're fine at SG and SF for years, with or without Anderson. But I'm almost positive that there's no negotiation left to do. The die has been cast. Dream was given a relatively small contract offer ($4 mil a season or so) because we had already tied up the rest of our cap space elsewhere - not because we are saving up for a free agent center.
ESPNEWS threw out a stat that said Mo scored 16.5 ppg after the all-star break. I covered our salary situation in my ultra-popular thread. We have 10 million in cap space counting Moochie, but not Shandon. There is a reason the Rockets went in this order. If the Rockets are planning on utilizing the rest of our capspace on an outside trade/free agent, that move will be made BEFORE Shandon/Moochie. If we are planning on signing Shandon to more than 2.86 (which is likely, if we sign him) or S/T him, then why would we want him to count against the cap any more than he has to? We will know when the Rockets plan to address the center spot long term by their next move. If they resign Shandon and Moochie before acquiring a center, it means they're going to go with what they have and maybe pick up a one year stop gap (like Oink), and hope that next year they'll have better luck with it. If Fegan, Shandon, and Moochie are really quiet (like they are right now), it probably means, things are basically settled, but strategically, they're waiting to get things signed to acquire a long-term center THIS year. If the Rockets don't have a long term center brewing, I'm sure they're crunching cap numbers for next year to find the amounts for the Fegan clients that won't choke up their cap for next year.
I can't argue with that, except to say you are looking at only one side. Why would Fegan and Shandon want to be treated that way? The only way that happens is if Shandon is once again willing to do a one-yr $4.5m player option for a wink deal. This is not unprecedented. Fox did this; Smith tried to. Coon actually says it is becoming popular to do consecutive MLE and EBR contracts followed by the Big Bird.
nike, saw this quote too, is it true, if so then 48 mill is ok and the other bonus of this contract is how cheap we got Cuttino, hopefully he doesn't realise. Smeg
Crispee - I don't see how we do a one-year wink deal with SA, and it benefit us. Unless we renounce Bullard, which we evidently weren't will to do to free up more money for Hakeem, we need to early bird SA to have room for Jackson at $4.59 million. We would only need to save $2.86 million in cap room for SA. However, early bird contracts have to be at least two years. As such, we would have to set aside $4.5 million under the cap to do a one year wink deal. The more likely scenerio, I think, would be a three year bird deal, with an opt out for SA after two (at which time he would have full bird rights).
