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MN Gov. Dayton Lets Critics Speak at Health Care Signing Ceremony

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  1. rocketsjudoka

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    For the record I didn't support Mark Dayton and still am skeptical about him but this was a ballsy move on his part.

    http://www.startribune.com/politics...kD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUycaEacyU

    Dayton widens health care for state's poor

    By signing two orders, he undid Pawlenty's stance against more federal health care help.

    By RACHEL E. STASSEN-BERGER, Star Tribune

    Last update: January 5, 2011 - 9:05 PM

    In an extraordinary Capitol ceremony where opponents and supporters were invited to speak, Gov. Mark Dayton Wednesday ushered in a new era of health care in Minnesota.

    With his signatures on twin executive orders, Dayton, a Democrat who took over from Republican Tim Pawlenty this week welcomed federal funds for health coverage for the poor and reversed Pawlenty's anti-"Obamacare" stance.

    Dayton said the actions were "essential for providing better health care for all Minnesotans."

    For Minnesota, the signatures were a symbol of more than just policy change.

    In an unprecedented move, Dayton welcomed protesters into the august Capitol room where he signed the orders and allowed his detractors to speak from the official governor's podium at his first official news conference, giving action to his promise to open the state to all.

    "This is an office where all points of view are honored and respected," he told the hundreds who stuffed themselves into the reception room and spilled out into the hallway.

    As two supporters and two opponents spoke from behind the wooden stand emblazoned with the massive state seal, their backers cheered and occasionally booed, while a baby's loud cries filled the stately room.

    "It is the people's room. This is where democracy occurs," said Dayton, who told protesters they'd have to be quiet to hear him speak, "because I'm not going to talk any louder."

    The move worked. Adults in the room hushed, interrupting with applause but no disruptions, and the new governor found fans even among the most vocal critics.

    "I'd like to thank Governor Dayton for giving the opportunity to hear from the opposition. This is really phenomenal that you did it," said Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council for Health Care Freedom and a longtime opponent of government involvement in health care.

    But Dayton's inclusiveness did not blunt criticism.

    "Because it takes away our freedom, because it expands government-run health care, because it puts bureaucrats in charge of patient care, for those reasons we ask Governor Dayton not to sign the executive order," said Brase, who received a handshake from the governor after she spoke.

    'Best interests of the state'

    Dayton signed the two orders to an array of hoots, cheers and long applause.

    One rescinds an executive order Pawlenty signed in August that banned any discretionary grants from the national health care overhaul.

    Dayton's order said Pawlenty's order was "not in the best interests of the state."

    The new order will allow Minnesota to apply for potentially several million dollars in federal grants to plan for coming changes in health care, educate adolescents on family planning programs and reform long-term care in the state.

    The other order, which will have a bigger impact, enrolls Minnesota in an expanded Medicaid plan that uses $1.4 billion in federal money to cover 95,000 of the state's poorest adults.

    Although the cost to the state is in some dispute, Dayton said the changes would end up costing Minnesota nothing.

    Republicans say that expanding Medicaid, known in Minnesota as Medical Assistance, gives the federal government too much power and relies on funding that might disappear in years to come.

    At a legislative House hearing Wednesday, Republicans raised concerns that Congress could pull the promised financing.

    "What happens then?" asked newly elected Rep. Bob Barrett, R-Shafer, noting that new Republican majority members in the U.S. House have pledged to overturn the federal health care overhaul law. "Who is liable? Do we find out the $6.2 billion deficit has grown by another billion?"

    Chuck Johnson, chief financial officer of the state Department of Human Services, said it's impossible to answer without knowing what action Congress might take.

    "In my years of experience, Congress has not suddenly pulled back" from financial obligations, but has given states time to adjust before changing funding, Johnson said.

    While Republican lawmakers, who now control the Legislature, complained Tuesday about Dayton's orders, they admitted their power to change them is limited.

    State Sen. Warren Limmer, R-Maple Grove, wrote in a letter to Dayton last week that he planned to call a hearing to air his concerns that last year's legislation, which Pawlenty signed and which gave the governor sole authority to opt in to the expansion, was an unconstitutional "delegation of legislative authority to the executive branch."

    But Limmer said that point is mostly moot since Dayton has signed the executive order. The time to sue, he said, would have been before the order was signed.

    Still unclear is when the new program will kick in.

    Under Pawlenty, the Human Services department said the expansion might take as long as 10 months.

    Dayton said that long a lead time was irresponsible and unacceptable.

    The governor said he would soon appoint a human services commissioner whose first "mandate will be to do everything humanly possible to escalate that timetable."
     
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    Never understood the whole "government bureaucrat in charge of healthcare spiel". I don't know about you, but I rather have a government bean counter in charge my healthcare, than a corporate bean counter.
     
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    Smooth move. Dayton is absolutely correct: A government room, whether it's the President's office or a city council meeting hall, is "the people's room" where all voices should be heard -- not just the majority party's voice. Had I been there, I would have applauded him loudly.
     
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    Good for Dayton -- I agree with thumbs.

    You could consider it a window dressing type of move, but if people respond, it becomes a legit move and changes tone.

    I wonder, if Dayton becomes relatively popular, what does it do to Pawlenty's potential run? I would guess not much, since most American voters don't live in MN or read the posts of rocketsjudoka. ;)
     
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    [​IMG] :p
     
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    Except that Minnesota governor is an elected position of the people and it is up to him to set the agenda regarding their appearances. Further things like signing ceremonies are times when the actual policy debate is over as the decision has been made already.

    As I said this was a ballsy move by Dayton and perhaps he might've felt it was good to give voice to opponents since this was his first official act as a governor but a move like this also carries a big risk. Jesse Ventura did some similar things in terms of sharing the bully pulpit with those who opposed his policies and in general those hurt him politically as he was upstaged by opponents.
     
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    This is a smart political move. It's a feel good move shortly after an election on a topic where everyone has already made up their mind and knows the basic issues. He won't be doing this kind of things when the next election is closing on, or on topics whether the opposition is struggling to get their views out.

    That said, he saw a moment and knew how to take advantage of it - it's a great political strategy to build a reserve of support.
     
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    As for Pawlenty, it wouldn't really impact his Presidential hopes. His odds of wininng are basically nil, and they would remaining basically nil. :)

    Pawlenty is the worst of all worlds - he's been "running" for a long time and has gotten no traction whatsoever. You have the big names (Huckabee, Palin, Romney, Gingrinch) who have a core of support. Then you have the potential small names that at least will grab attention as the new faces and outsiders (like Huckabee in 2008) - Daniels, Huntsman, etc. Then you have Pawlenty, who is a big name with no support. There's no real path forward for him to win the nomination. He has no constituency and no real way to get one.
     
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    I disagree. When a governor, or any politician, can build a consensus of good will, he (or she) is much stronger. By his demonstrating a willingness to listen to opposing views, people tend to be more conciliatory and tend to consider the more visceral opponets as rude and dogmatic.
     
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    At the same time as the Health Care debate showed there is a danger of losing control of the message which Obama did. Now as an opponent of Health Care reform you probably didn't see a problem with that but that is critical and one of the main reasons why the GW Bush Admin had success was they were able to shape and control the debate.

    Also keep in mind that this was a signing ceremony and he didn't open things up until after he signed the executive order so while he let opponents have their say the policy was already enacted.
     
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    First, I am not "an opponent of health care reform." I am very much for health care reform, but I opposed Obamacare because IMO it is not predicated on inaccurate predictive data and is far too complex to be workable, making the cost prohibitive. However, I am a proponent of health care reform.

    Second, Dayton's action may have been cosmetic, but it was a step in the right direction. IMO, had Pelosi/Reid/Obama et al not storm-troopered the legislation and allowed debate and Republican input, they might not have lost the house and possibly the Senate and White House in 2012 and we would have health care legislation that will be in the court system for years to come.
     
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    You mean that if Pelosi/Reid/Obama et al had done something like pass 161 Republican amendments to the health care bill, they might not have lost the house?
     
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    The Medicare expansion that Dayton signed was part of the recent Health Care law. It was the Minnesota's opt in into the program. Pawlenty had previously refused to sign it.

    Except that as JV noted the Dem. Congress included many Republican amendments and almost all of the Democrats held multiple townhall meetings on the health care bill as it was developing. This was long before the vote was passed unlike Dayton opening the mic after he has signed the order.
     
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    I was not commenting on the worthinessor unworthiness of Minnesota's new health plan. I was praising Dayton for his even-handedness and outreach, late though it may have been.
     
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    Sure you are - you just can't name what that reform would look like in any way, shape, or form. When asked, you just say "ask the experts". The experts overall tend to think the Obama plan will improve things. When that's pointed out, you just disappear and then repeat the "I'm for reform, but against Obamacare!" line a few months later in another thread.
     
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    I "disappear" when clients call. They are always my first priority. And, no, we have had this discussion before. For example, you cite how the CBO says we will save billions. However, the CBO must use the figures given to it by Congress (Pelosi/Reid/et al) regardless of whether the figures are rooted in fantasy. That's only one of the reasons why there is so much opposition to Obamacare.
     

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