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Miracles, Manning, Five Fat Guys, and Larry Brown

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MacBeth, May 27, 2003.

  1. MacBeth

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    There are many things to like about Larry Brown, but I want to go over one in particular which I first admired about him; he puts his neck on the line and takes chances rather than go for the conventional route, and just play it safe.

    I first saw this in him about 15 years ago, when he was at Kansas. He had the definitine one man team, built around the best player in the country and little else ( only one player got a sniff at being a 1st round draft pick), and went into the tournament ranked something like 18 in the nation, and was not a top seed at all. Now remember this was before early entrants were all the rage, so there were some very deep, talented teams, and the ability to play zone made 1 man teams a virtual assurance of non contender status. This year was no different, and the Jayhawks were not expected to make much noise, despite having Danny Manning.

    Now for those of you too young to remember Manning pre-knee injury, he was incredible. At the time he was called a cross between Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, but that was not all that accurate, IMO. Understandable, though, because he was something new, something we are now more familiar with; a guy with pf height and almost point guard skills. Today there is a much more readily available comparison; Kevin Garnett, only Manning wasn't as tenacious on defense, but was a much, much better passer/playmaker, just slightly lower than Bird, and among the top 2 or 3 passing big men...ever. He was as complete a package as college basketball had seen in years, and a virtual lock to go no. 1.

    So he plays amazing, a couple fo the top teams get knocked off, and Kansas finds itself in the Finals...against Oklahoma. The Sooners were just about as deep and talented a team as you'll ever see in college basketball, as something like 5 or 6 of their top 8 guys went on to be 1st round picks, many of the lottery variety. They had the nation's top point guard, in Mookie Blaylock, the Grant brothers who were among the best forwards in the NCAA, and a cast of others. Like many exceptionally deep, athletic, and talented teams, they played the running game, and they were damned good at it. In fact, if you line up each team's players, the Sooners blew out the Jayhawks at every single spot, all the way down to their bench...except one. The one thing the Sooners didn't have, nor anyone else for that matter, was a big man who could stay with Manning.

    So the Finals come, everybody is expecting two things; an interesting matchup of styles,( as Kansas was a total 1/2 court team built around their big man ) and a complete blowout. I can't remember the exact line, but it was close to double figures. Kansas just didn't have the horses, and OU could simply run them off their feet, and zone Manning out of the game in the half court.KU had gotten through the tournament on Manning's ability to beat 2 men, or make incredible passes, but they hadn't faced a team with the number of exceptional athletes that OU had, and it was seen as an inevitability...each would play their game, but OU's superior talent and depth would wear KU down, eventually ending in a 10-15 point game, and a dud of a Finals.

    Enter the genius of Larry Brown. Ninety-nine out of a hundred coaches dance with the one that brung them, take their chances, and go down fighting...not Brown. He did the one thing that no one in their right mind expected, and few could believe even as it was happeneing...you guessed it; he ran.

    From the opening tip to the final buzzer, Kansas attacked Oklahoma on every possession...They ran off of misses, they ran off of makes...they just plain ran. Announcers were railing against Brown.." What does he think he's doing? He's playing right into Oklahoma's hands." The OU coach later admitted that he hadn't even considered the possibility as realistic, and was quite content to allow the Jayhawks to run themselves out of the game. Think of Minnesota, without Wally or anybody other than Garnett who is any good going up against Dallas or Sacramento in a one game series...and running at them. It was unbelievable. At halftime, in a close game, the analysts were debating how long until Kansas ran out of gas, not if but when, and wondering why Brown had decided to surrender the battle for styles to the Sooners rather than try and dictate a half court tempo more in their favor.

    But that was just it...Brown saw two things, one which everyone else did, and one which no one else did. The first was that to try and play the conventional way; Play your game, try and slow it down, etc. was surrendering. There was no way that they could overconme the relative talent disparity, and if they played slow down, the Sooners could use their depth and athleticism to take Manning out of the game. But what he did see, which no one else would have, let alone had the courage to try, was that there was only one chance for kansas. Their strength lay in the fact that Manning was faster than any of OU's big men, and bigger than anyone they had who could stay with him...So if Brown did the unthinkable, and ran at a running team with a 1 man show,m that was the only way he could possibly prevent OU from setting up zones to take Manning out of the play. No way he could have done this for any stretch of games, as he would just wear down, but in a 1 game winner takes all, if manning has the game of his life, it might just work.

    And it did. Manning played out of his mind, ( can't remember stats, but they were amazing) and was out in front of the OU big men all day, beating guards in the open court, and seemingly everywhere on the floor. People called it Danny Manning and the Miracles...and credit where it is due. But the thing that stuck out in my mind was the incredible insight of Larry Brown. To see what no one else saw, to do what no one else expected, and to take a chance which, should it fail, would have made him look foolish in the biggest game of the year...that, my friends, was coaching.

    That's what Brown does...he sees what his teams strengths are, and he uses them as well as anyone in the game. He's not a Phil Jackson who comes to town with a system, and the players had better adapt. None of the many teams he has coached played all that similarly...San Antonio was 1/2 court, interior lanes, and big man breaks, etc...Indiana was all about phalanxes of picks for Reggie, and inside out with Smits...Philly was all about Iverson beating his man, and everyone else collapsing to the rim. He comes with a consistent philosophy; play hard, play smart, play defense, and play within the system...but the system itself is organic. That is why, IMO, he is the best coach in the game...

    He also takes chances, as demonstrated above, and loves nothing more than taking them with challenging situations. People talk about his lack of NBA titles...Well, take a look at the kinds of teams he has gone to...He is, again, the opposite of Phil Jackson; He has historically taken on situations that others though of as no win situations, and won with them. He has never had talent like Kobe and Shaq, Scottie and Michael, or Hakeem and Clyde, etc. The time had had the most collective talent, in Indiana, he got them very deep when they hadnt done much before him. He has three times had one of the best players in the game; Iverson, Robinson, and Manning...He won it all with Manning, got Philly to the Finals, and had something like a 40 game turnaround with Robinson. In his very long career of taking on challenging situations, he has had 4, count em, 4 losing seasons...total.

    I think it was Don Nelson who said that Brown could take 5 old fat guys and make them a winning team. While he's never tried that, to my knowledge, he's come pretty close. People often dismiss Phil Jackson's acomplishments because he has been where the talent was...That may or may not be fair, but if there is any truth to that, than surely Brown deserves some recognition for doing the opposite. If you want to do something educational, and feel like digging through records, about Brown, take a look at the records of the teams he takes over before he gets there, and after. If abyone wants to post that here I'd really appreciate it.

    Brown is not perfect...but he's as close in a coach as we're ever likely to see. Just to sit back and watch the system he comes up with to best use Steve and Yao itself will be worth the price of admission.
     
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  2. NJRockFan

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    Nicely said Macbeth. I enjoyed your post.
     
  3. SmeggySmeg

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    are you suggesting Brown will come in and turn our starters in fatty boombaladdas and then attempt to get them to win??? ;)

    nice tale JAG
     
  4. hikanoo49

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    Can someone provide a link to the box score of that game..

    I would be curious to see Manning's line as well as OUs roster..


    Thanks!!!!!
     
  5. BobFinn*

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    Larry Brown

    CAREER NOTES:

    • Inducted in 2002 into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall.

    • His resume includes three ABA Coach of the Year awards (1973, 1975 and 1976), the 2001 NBA Coach of the Year honor, a trip to the 2001 NBA Finals and a 1988 NCAA championship.

    • Is the first coach in NBA history to guide six different franchises to the playoffs.

    • In the NBA, he has finished first in his division six times -1976-77 and 1977-78 with Denver; 1989-90 and 1990-91 with San Antonio; 1994-95 with Indiana; and 2000-01 with Philadelphia.

    • Has posted a winning record in 27 of his 31 seasons as a professional or collegiate head coach and has compiled a 1,285-853 (.601 winning percentage) career record.

    • After 20th seasons in the NBA, he has an 879-685 (.562 winning percentage) record as a head mentor.

    • In 2002-03 he moved ahead of Jack Ramsay (864 victories) and moved into seventh position on the NBA's list of all-time wins for a head coach.



    NBA COACHING NOTES:

    • Hired on May 5, 1997, as head coach of the Philadelphia 76ers, in six seasons in the City of Brotherly Love he has amassed a record of 255-205 (.554 winning percentage). But in his last five seasons he has compiled a 224-154 record for a .593 winning percentage.

    • Stands as Philadelphia third all-time winningest head coach with 255 victories, trailing Billy Cunningham (454 victories) and Al Cervi (334 victories).

    • Has led the Sixers to the NBA Playoffs the past five years.

    • Led the 76ers in 2002-03 to a 48-34 regular season record, finishing one game behind New Jersey for the Atlantic Division title.

    • Standing 25-24 at the 2003 All-Star break, Philadelphia from Feb. 12 through the end of the regular season went 23-10 under Brown.

    • Was named the NBA Coach of the Month for the Eastern Conference twice in 2002-03. Selected the Eastern Conference Coach of the Month for February after leading the 76ers to an Eastern Conference best 8-2 record, which included eight straight victories to close out the month. Also named the following month aftewr posting a 11-5 mark in March.

    • Recorded a milestone season in 2000-01, his Sixers recorded its best year in nearly two decades. He led the 76ers to 56 wins (56-26), the most for the franchise since 1984-85, and led Philadelphia to the Atlantic Division crown for the first time since 1989-90 and to the top spot in the Eastern Conference. Brown's 76ers made a trip to the 2001 NBA Finals, the first such accomplishments in his then 18 years as an NBA coach.

    • He was the Eastern Conference head coach in the 2001 All-Star Game and guided the East All-Stars to a come-from-behind win.

    • In 1998-99 he guided Philadelphia to their first winning season since 1990-91 as well as to the NBA Playoffs, becoming the first coach in NBA history to guide six different franchises to the playoffs.

    • Prior to joining the Sixers, he spent four seasons (1993-94 to 1996-97) as head coach of the Indiana Pacers and compiled a record of 190-138 (.579 winning percentage).

    • Ranks as the Pacers' all-time winningest NBA coach, he took the team to the playoffs three times, including the Eastern Conference Finals twice (1993-94, 1994-95).

    • Was also head coach of the Los Angeles Clippers (1991-92 to 1992-93/64-53 record), San Antonio Spurs 1988-89 to 1992-93/153-131 record) , New Jersey Nets (1981-82 to 1982-83/92-67 record), and Denver Nuggets (1976-77 to 1978-79//126-91 record), who he helped transition from the ABA to the NBA in 1976-77.

    • He took the Spurs to the postseason twice (1990 and 1991), the Clippers twice (1992 and 1993), the Nets once (1983) and the Nuggets twice (1977, 1978).

    • Made his head coaching debut with the ABA Carolina team in 1973-74, in his four seasons as the ABA Carolina (1972-73 to 1973-74) and Denver (1974-75 to 1975-76) head coach he compiled a regular season record of 229-107 (.682 winning percentage) and took his teams to the Playoffs all four seasons,including two ABA Division Finals and one ABA Finals (1976).

    • Was selected as the ABA Coach of the Year three times (1973, 1975 and 1976).




    COLLEGE COACHING NOTES:

    • Directed UCLA for two seasons (1979-80 through 1980-81) and the University of Kansas for five years (1983-84 through 1987-88), and compiled a 177-61 (.744 winning percentage) overall record collegiately.

    • Was head coach of the UCLA Bruins from 1979-80 to 1980-81, and directed the Bruins to a two-year mark of 42-17 (.712 winning percentage), which included an appearance in the 1980 NCAA Tournament championship game and an NCAA Tournament appearance the following year.

    • Head coach at Kansas from 1983-84 to 1987-88, he rolled up a mark of 135-44 (.754 winning percentage), made five NCAA Tournaments, and captured the 1988 NCAA championship and made another Final Four appearance in 1986.

    • Was an assistant coach at the University of North Carolina for two seasons (1965-66 through 1966-67).
     
  6. heypartner

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    That was an upset, by Pinkney and Rollie Massimmino beating Ewing and John Thompson was much bigger.

    <img src="http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nova/sports/m-baskbl/auto_action/a-pinckney1.jpg">

    So, I thought Danny Manning's dad was Danny's coach at KU, and Brown just coached the rest of the team. ;)

    Also, he left Kansas and failed with David Robinson and the best Spurs team they had, talent-wise.

    Larry Brown strikes me as a great coach who produces coaches who are better than him, because he has an ego and his assistants learn from his mistakes. For instance, imo, John Calipari is a better coach than Larry Brown...like Coach K is better than Bobby Knight.

    Brown is a talent, but a flakey one.
    Dunleavy is much more solid. As I keep saying, there is a reason his Alma Matre, North Carolina, did not give Brown any consideration.

    my first instinct was Brown, but the way Brown just up and resign's like he's Phil Jackson and you must hire him...kinda has me leaning towards a classier guy with an equally solid NBA playoff record, who will work with CD and not think he's above the organization...and Dunleavy beats Brown is the class department.
     
  7. Woofer

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    http://www.hawkzone.com/finalfours/1988win.shtml

    The Jayhawks won it with a great, great performance from manning, who perhaps saved his best for last, with a 31-point, 18-rebound, 5-steal effort that won him the tourney's Most Outstanding Player award.
     
  8. MacBeth

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    I respect your basketball acumen...but are you serious?
     
  9. Rocketman95

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    Yes, his name is Roy Williams.
     
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    If he is, his credibility is gone.

    Calipari couldnt coach his way out of a paper bag. He is a Poor man's Rick Pitino.

    Great college recruiter. Mediocre coach.
     
  11. BobFinn*

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    Calipari is not anywhere near the coach Larry Brown is.
     
  12. MacBeth

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    Oh, geez...How could I forget Stacey King...he finished something like 2nd or 3rd in the NCAA Player of the Year, and was an All-American, and went in the top 5 or 10 in the draft...and Blaylock went in the same range, as did Horace Grant..and Harvet Grant...it was an awesome team. HP might be right about Pinckney beating Georgetown for sheer inbalance of the talent of their top players, but for depth of talent and incompatibility of styles favoring one team this was as big as it gets.

    Also I think he had something like 9 or 10 assists, and about 3 or 4 blocks.

    So that's 31 points...18 rebounds..say 9 assists...3 blocks...5 steals...in college ( final score was 83-79 )...Not a bad day's work, no? Ranks with Walton as the single most dominat performances in tourney history.
     
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    Very nice, MacBeth. I think he's exactly what we need. There are issues to be resolved, to be sure (like who makes personnel decisions... ultimately?), but Brown would make a positive impact on the Rockets that would outlast his departure, imo.

    If he takes the job, and I'm assuming it'll be offered to him, perhaps Brown will stay longer than one might think. He must want a championship badly and he's not getting any younger.

    He has the players here to teach (and god knows they need it) and that have value for trades if they don't fit. He has a city that supports a winner and Brown can bring them that. He has a new arena to entice free agents, along with a state without an income tax. And he's got an owner who's shown that he'll go the extra mile and make the big moves if he truly thinks it'll get the Rockets a championship.

    I hope Brown and Les come to a meeting of the minds. Let's do it!
     
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    About to be 7!
     
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    I just read your post.....and it was great!...and long!

    So what kind of offense do you think Larry Brown will use with the Houston Rockets with Steve Francis, Yao Ming, Cuttino Mobley, Maurice Taylor, and all the other guys?
     
  16. MacBeth

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    :) Not till he's hired. I'll be thinking about it till then.
     
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    YBB: Year Before Brown
    1YB: 1st Year With Brown



    New Jersey Nets

    YBB: 24-58
    1YB: 44-39

    Spurs:

    YBB: 31-51
    1YB: 21-61

    Clippers:

    YBB: 31-51
    1YB: 45-37

    Pacers:

    YBB: 41-41
    1YB: 47-35

    Philly:
    YBB: 22-60
    1YB: 31-51


    So, this pretty much proves he helps teams in need of good coaching. in the case of the spurs and philly, he obviously helped turned it around eventually. We pretty much fit the mold of the team he goes for. Actually, we have a few more peices already in place. This has to seem like a good opportunity for him.
     
  18. topfive

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    Screw Larry Brown. I want MacBeth as coach.
     
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    Only if his dates sit on the bench as well.
     
  20. MacBeth

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    So we can tell three things from this list...

    1) He takes on losing teams...The average season for the team the year before he takes over is 29-52.

    2) He makes a positive impact immediately...the average record of the teams the year Brown takes over is 38-45, or an average 9 game improvement...on some very, very bad teams.

    3) He has 4 losing seasons in his career...and 2 of them are with these terrible teams, Philly and San Antonio...and the next year he had San Antonio over 50 wins, and he got Philly to the Finals. Lesson: He makes winning happen.
     

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