Miami shopping 2nd pick and other pg possibilities for Rockets

I massively doubt that Miami will shop their pick at all. They are basically in a great situation where the 2nd best player talent-wise is a perfect fit for them and the best player Beasley will also be an awesome addition.

I wouldn't mind us trading up to get Derrick Rose though, although we'll probably have to give up parts of our core...ie. Yao, who is untouchable!

 

I think Miami is nutts. You somehow find a way out of the Shaq situation, get the number two pick, and now you want to shop it? For WHAT? If I was Miami I wouldn't even trade the pick if I had Yao and Tmac in trade. This has got to be a joke, it can't be real, or Miami wants to eff with the other teams in the league. the only way I could see Miami shopping that pick is to Phoenix to apologize for sending them Shaq in the first place.

 

Isn't Sam Smith the guy that got fired from the Chicago newspaper for making up stuff?

 

Why I do believe you are correct.

 

The Miami deal would be a deal with the Clippers for Elton Brand. Miami's #2 pick (Beasley), Haslem, and Blount to the Clips for Brand.

This would leave Miami with DWade, Brand, Marion as their big 3 with compelmentary pieces like Marcus Banks and Dorrell Wright. That should vault them to instant contender status.

Clips would have Beasley to go with Thornton, Haslem, etc.

Clips would probably ask for another future first. But if Rose is off the board with Chicago, this would be a good trade to get Miami back into contention in one year.

 

he's just tossing out proposals like we do here, and they make as little sense!

Hinrich for Shawn Marion, Al Harrington, Yi Jianlin??? Then on the other hand, he has Jermaine O'neal (who its hard seeing anybody want) and Portland expirings in some other proposals.

 

Hinrich for Shawn Marion is kind of a strange one -- and isn't even plausible right now as they're currently waiting to see what Marion will do with his player opt. Also, if the Bulls did that trade, what do they do with Luol Deng? Deng, Gooden, Thomas, Nocioni is kind of a backlog of 3/4s as it is.

Why would Golden State want Hinrich unless Baron Davis is leaving?

The Yi Jianlin one isn't so bad, as it comes attached with Bobby Simmons' awful deal. But point guard is the least of Milwaukee's worries with Mo Williams and a breakout stretch from Ramon Sessions.

Take the whole article with a grain of salt. The whole thing pre-supposes that Rose to Chicago is a lock, which is in question to begin with.

 

i said this a couple of weeks ago. and i'm saying out of blue. but something tells me there is a good chance riley will give up his #2 pick to make a trade. he's old and doesn't appear to have the patience to go through a rebuild process which is easily 5-10 years. the question is can we get the #2? and how?

btw, marion will be crazy to opt out his contract.

 

Marion and Bonzi Wells are twins separated at birth.

 

well miami might still think theyre in win now mode instead of rebuilding mode and having 2 freshman on your team may still take some time to develop, and by the time miami is at a high enough level again, DWade may be gone as a FA and shawn marion will be in decline.

wade has 2 years left on his deal plus a player option and has had some injuries

marion is a free agent now but has a player option and is already 30

marion's PPG went down significantly, and he may not be suited for a traditional offense. in all likelihood, i dont think he returns to miami.

miami really needs to wake up and rebuild. they just dont have the resources to compete even with wade. dorrell wright and daequan cook are the only other guys on the team with any talent at all. they cannot trade that pick. a wade/beasley combo may be enough in year 2 or 3 to compete in the eastern conference playoffs. cook should develop into a decent 6th man, and theyll also have 2 other draft picks on the squad, possibly mid lottery picks. they need to keep the pick.

if marion declines his option, theyll have roughly $36 million in salary, about $20m under the cap. if ron artest opts out, they could sign him to a $10m deal and still have enough money to sign someone else to either play Center or Point Guard.

 

I agree, wouldn't be surprising to see Riley attempt to mimic the lightning in a bottle approach that worked two years ago and then unretire for the 18th time.

 

Where's that Owl picture with the "Oh RLY???" words under it?
I respectfully disagree with your opinion, for that Wade, Brand, and Marion team plus crap is no where near contender status. I don't think Brand's trade value is any good at the moment anyways.

 

Miami is under intense pressure to win because of wade's contract. It makes to much sense in the world to do a deal and get a top flight post player who is 29 or 30 for 3 or 4 yrs. I really like the "duncan contracts" as i like to call it. It puts alot of pressure on mgmt to put a winner on the court every year. If i were miami, i would try to package the #2, Marion, and Haslem for brand and kaman. Now if you have Brand,Kaman,and Wade together, you have something. They could slot wright in at 3 and use the mle on udrih. That would be a very good 5 especially in the east.

 

*ahem*

No. No, I don't think so ...

 

Why not?

If he hadn't played in the last few weeks of the season I'd agree, but the fact that he did play, and looked like his old self, means that his value is right where it would normally be.

If Miami made the deal as suggested in the article (Marion and #2 for Brand and #7 - provided OJ Mayo is on the board at #7), then they'd have an interesting lineup:

PG: Mayo/ Banks/
SG: Wade/ Cook
C: Blount/ Mourning(?)
PF: Brand/ Haslem/ Johnson
SF: Wright/

They'd probably bring back Powell and/or Lasme
And they'd have Jason Williams and Ricky Davis as options to re-sign, or as bait in a S&T scenario.
Then the MLE to throw at someone.
That's interesting, but not threatening - and they still lose Brand after a year.

I think jpotmac's assesment of Miami's desire might be more accurate: They trade away Haslem, Blount and #2 for Brand.

PG: Banks
SG: Wade/ Cook
C: Brand
PF: Marion
SF: Wright

They still have all the above options, and if nothing works out, they have extreme cap space in a years time with 33mill coming off the books between Marion and Brand, and only 19mill committed between Wade and Banks.


I can't see why the Clippers would do that one though. Take on 2 yucky big man contracts so they can draft another big man and crowd the 4-5 spots with Kaman, Beasley, Haslem, Blount, Thornton and Tim Thomas.
It'd mean they probably wouldn't keep both of Powell and Fazekas who they seem to have brought on.

On the other hand, it gives them superior depth up front, and Thornton and TT can spend most of their time at the 3.

 

Might be the reason you're not an NBA GM??

You shop #2 for Yao and TMac all day everyday.

Past #2s:

2007: Durant
2006: Aldridge
2005: Marvin Williams
2004: Okafur
2003: Milicic
2002: Jay Williams
2001: Tyson Chandler
2000: Stro Swift
1999: Francis
1998: Bibby
1997: Van Horn
1996: Camby
1995: McDyess
1994: Kidd
1992: 'Zo

None of the others play in the NBA anymore.

With the mild advantage of hindsight: if I was a GM, and anyone offered me an All-Star in exchange for one of those guys, I'd think pretty damn seriously about it.
Especially thinking about the guys drafted #2 from 2000 to now (Durant might make me think)

Of course you shop the #2 pick, especially considering that only 6 out of 16 guys on this list have played in the All-Star game...
You don't HAVE to take on what is offered, but at least you stroke the desperation of the other GMs and use their false belief that "the #2 pick will save their franchise" to your advantage! (see Boston: WCF 3-2 lead and Seattle: 20 wins).

And don't give me the whole "think about the future" routine! Fans want to think about playoffs and dream championships, not whether or not they'll beat the Clippers...

 

no it would not just look at vince carter. they opt out of that 1 year 17 million to get a 4 or 5 year for around 50 to 60 million. which would you rather have a guranteed 17 or a guranteed 50 to 60? You may have a career injury in that one year your money is still guranteed.

 

Speculative Sam Smith, surveying the sensible successful scenarios.

 

i meant he will not opt out and become an unrestricted f/a. that's all. the carter type of deal of course is another story. depends on how marion and his agent assess his value and future.