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Megachurches Closing for Christmas

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MR. MEOWGI, Dec 7, 2005.

  1. MR. MEOWGI

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    This Christmas, no prayers will be said in several megachurches around the country. Even though the holiday falls this year on a Sunday, when churches normally host thousands for worship, pastors are canceling services, anticipating low attendance on what they call a family day.

    Critics within the evangelical community, more accustomed to doing battle with department stores and public schools over keeping religion in Christmas, are stunned by the shutdown.

    It is almost unheard of for a Christian church to cancel services on a Sunday, and opponents of the closures are accusing these congregations of bowing to secular culture.

    "This is a consumer mentality at work: `Let's not impose the church on people. Let's not make church in any way inconvenient,'" said David Wells, professor of history and systematic theology at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a leading evangelical school in Hamilton, Mass. "I think what this does is feed into the individualism that is found throughout American culture, where everyone does their own thing."

    The churches closing on Christmas plan multiple services in the days leading up to the holiday, including on Christmas Eve. Most normally do not hold Christmas Day services, preferring instead to mark the holiday in the days and night before. However, Sunday worship has been a Christian practice since ancient times.

    Cally Parkinson, a spokeswoman for Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Ill., said church leaders decided that organizing services on a Christmas Sunday would not be the most effective use of staff and volunteer resources. The last time Christmas fell on a Sunday was 1994, and only a small number of people showed up to pray, she said.

    "If our target and our mission is to reach the unchurched, basically the people who don't go to church, how likely is it that they'll be going to church on Christmas morning?" she said.

    Among the other megachurches closing on Christmas Day are Southland Christian Church in Nicholasville, Ky., near Lexington, and Fellowship Church in Grapevine, Texas, outside of Dallas. North Point Community Church in Alpharetta, Ga., outside of Atlanta, said on its Web site that no services will be held on Christmas Day or New Year's Day, which also falls on a Sunday. A spokesman for North Point did not respond to requests for comment.

    The closures stand in stark contrast to Roman Catholic parishes, which will see some of their largest crowds of the year on Christmas, and mainline Protestant congregations such as the Episcopal, Methodist and Lutheran churches, where Sunday services are rarely if ever canceled.

    Cindy Willison, a spokeswoman for the evangelical Southland Christian Church, said at least 500 volunteers are needed, along with staff, to run Sunday services for the estimated 8,000 people who usually attend. She said many of the volunteers appreciate the chance to spend Christmas with their families instead of working, although she said a few church members complained.

    "If we weren't having services at all, I would probably tend to feel that we were too accommodating to the secular viewpoint, but we're having multiple services on Saturday and an additional service Friday night," Willison said. "We believe that you worship every day of the week, not just on a weekend, and you don't have to be in a church building to worship."

    Troy Page, a spokesman for Fellowship Church, said the congregation was hardly shirking its religious obligations. Fellowship will hold 21 services in four locations in the days leading up to the holiday. Last year, more than 30,000 worshippers participated. "Doing them early allows you to reach people who may be leaving town Friday," Page said.

    These megachurches are not alone in adjusting Sunday worship to accommodate families on Christmas. But most other congregations are scaling back services instead of closing their doors.

    First Baptist Church in Daytona Beach, Fla., led by the Rev. Bobby Welch, president of the Southern Baptist Convention, will hold one service instead of the usual two. New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., led by the Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelicals, will hold one Sunday service instead of the typical three.

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    It pisses me off that these kids don't have to go to church on Christmas like I did. I couldn't play with my new toys for a whole two hours. :mad:
     
  2. rhadamanthus

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    Speaks volumes.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    Who gives a crap whether megachurches will be open for XMas?

    The Chinese restaurants and movie theatres will be open. Everyone knows those are the most important businesses to be open during this time!

    ;) :D
     
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    I really don't have a problem with this. Especially from Willow Creek. Their Sunday services are largely devoted to those who aren't already members of their church...the Wednesday evening services are the services for their members. If they feel like they're not going to have non-members show up for their Sunday services...and that it would be counter-productive...then I don't have a problem with that. They're staying true to their church's mission.

    I attend a service on Christmas Eve. Christmas is a meaningful spiritual holiday for me...I don't typically end up at church on Sunday. It is possible to have meaningful time with God outside of church. Maybe I'm too liberal with this stuff...but the idea of holding a service just for the purpose of holding a service...that doesn't ring true to me. It's not very real...not very authentic.
     
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    Keep it real, genuine, authentic- faith- that's why I benefit from your posts

    That's what matters IMHO
     
  6. MR. MEOWGI

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    I always thought those Wednesday church goers were weird.

    To me Megachurches are not authentic.
     
  7. MadMax

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    megachurches aren't for me. but there are some out there that do a tremendous job. and most have understood that people need to connect in small groups if they wish to grow spiritually...so they've fostered that. again, i know Willow Creek in Chicago pretty well...and I think very highly of that church.

    it seems that you have a lot of opinions about Christianity that are borne out of perception or a bad experience. i'm sorry to hear that. you hate when people raise their hands to sing...you don't like megachurches...you think people who go to church on Wednesday are weird. do you see how people MIGHT feel a little bit persecuted or at least picked on by you saying things like that? i mean, i don't...but can you see it, at least? you seem very open-minded about very many subjects...but not on issues that touch on my faith.
     
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    The Wednesday thing was a joke. I grew up Catholic. I only went to Church on Wednesdays when I missed on Sunday (or Sat).

    I said I don't like when people lift their hands to sing like it somehow it gives them supernatural powers. (wow flashback) That freaks me out and I feel sorry for them.

    Megachurches freak me out too. They are basically malls and/or car dealerships. I don't like them either. It's all the same crap.
     
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    1. gotcha

    2. i don't think it gives them supernatural power either. neither do those who do it. i don't feel so moved...but if it makes someone feel some connection to God...some connection to something bigger than themselves...then i can't begrudge them that

    3. except malls and/or car dealerships don't feed the poor, clothe the homeless, assist flood victims, operate drug dependency support groups, tutor kids, etc. second baptist and lakewood stepped up HUGE after Allison and Katrina, for example. neither are my cup of tea. but i'm glad they were here to do those things.
     
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    They would if the money was there to do so. And the money wont be there on Christmas day for the Megachurches, that's why they are all closed.
     
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    MR. MEOWGI- I think you have had some bad church experiences. I have also.

    Church experiences do not = Jesus experiences
     
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    you think the money isn't there for malls and car dealerships to do that?? those are for-profit organizations, meowgi. their sole purpose is to turn a profit.
     
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    I benefit from your posts too. It forces me to choose my rancid jokes carefully... :p

    Anyways, if church goers are adamant on a Xmas service, the pastor could hold one at his or a church member's house. People in history have had far less....
     
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    But nobody is patronizing on that day, it's a holiday. It's the same reason why restaurants downtown aren't open on Saturday. They won't make a profit. The megachurches could stay open for those who wish, or have, to go on Christmas but choose not to because it isn't worth it to them (or maybe their laser light show guy has the day off). It seems to me their bottom line is who they are catering to.
     
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    I know that Westbury Methodist does a huge XMas eve service each year. I think it starts like at 10-10:30 PM and goes on past midnight. I live two blocks away and sometimes I can stand outside and hear the choir. It's not a megachurch, but it is a really large regular church.
     
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    You sound like you're arguing just for the sake of arguing.
     
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    megachurches give because they absolutely have to. no amount of spin could otherwise cloak the fact that these organizations are businesses.
     
  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    I'm just saying them would give themselves more credit if they stayed open rain or shine on Christmas. But it's really just the entertainment business.
     
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    He's the same guy who refuses to watch the chronicles of narnia (which looks like an awesome movie btw!) because of a mention of christ in the movie.
     
  20. hotballa

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    That's why?

    I hope he turns off those post game Rox interviews when some of those annoying athelets starting thanking God. And I'll be he's never watched any music award shows :D
     

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