I think McCain is getting some Wesley Clark syndrome, where his advisors say "repeat these lines" and he does so without regard for context or having them make sense. http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/07/mccain-on-gay-1.html#more McCain On Gay Adoption In an interview with Stephanopoulos, McCain backtracked on his use of the word timetable (by my count, he uses the phrase "conditions on the ground" seven times), but near the end there is also this somewhat bizarre exchange over gay adoption: STEPHANOPOULOS: What is your position on gay adoption? You told the “New York Times" you were against it, even in cases where the children couldn’t find another home. But then your staff backtracked a bit. What is your position? MCCAIN: My position is, it’s not the reason why I’m running for president of the United States. And I think that two parent families are best for America. STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, what do you mean by that, it’s not the reason you’re running for president of the United States? MCCAIN: Because I think — well, I think that it’s — it is important for us to emphasize family values. But I think it’s very important that we understand that we have other challenges, too. I’m running for president of the United States, because I want to help with family values. And I think that family values are important, when we have two parent — families that are of parents that are the traditional family. STEPHANOPOULOS: But there are several hundred thousand children in the country who don’t have a home. And if a gay couple wants to adopt them, what’s wrong with that? MCCAIN: I am for the values that two parent families, the traditional family represents. STEPHANOPOULOS: So, you’re against gay adoption. MCCAIN: I am for the values and principles that two parent families represent. And I also do point out that many of these decisions are made by the states, as we all know. And I will do everything I can to encourage adoption, to encourage all of the things that keeps families together, including educational opportunities, including a better economy, job creation. And I’m running for president, because I want to help families in America. And one of my positions is that I believe that family values and family traditions are preserved.
Really a bungled/sloppy thread intro by Major, but that notwithstanding... I'd have to think an overwhelming % of the country is firmly against two gays adopting a child. I personally find it repugnant, as should anyone who goes to Church and actually listens.
The guy thinks he's living in the 50's. He'll just ignore the issues he's not confortable speaking about. Viagra and birth control?!?! Gay adoption!?!? I support traditional values and two parent families, anything that doesn't fit in that box is errr... god bless America.
I was going to ignore TJ, but after reading someone's post about just pretending he is Stephen Colbert.... TJ becomes hilarious. It might have been word for word Colbert, if he had thrown in a comment about America. Try harder, TJ... you'll get Colbert perfectly eventually! I believe in you. (McCain is too chicken **** to just come out and say he's against it.)
That may be true, but then why couldn't McCain come out and say he's against it? He said he's for two parent families and their values. Gay families have two parents... so is he even against it? All McCain seemed to know about the issue is to keep repeating the words "family values".
McCain is probably thinking of the "good days" of 1960s where ignorance and racism was accepted by society.
I just had a laugh thinking that traitor_j went to church, but then again he's probably a devout believer of John Hagee. Well, at least I now know where he's getting most of your material from.
It is neither ignorant nor racist to believe that a child (without a choice) should be subjected to growing up in a household with two gay parents. When you choose to lead an openly homosexual lifestyle, there are certain things that you ought to forego. Marriage is one of them, as is adoption.
The delivery was a little mangled but I think I understand his position, I don't agree with it though. He's saying he's generally against it but its not a very important issue to him and he would leave it mostly up to the states.
It's not racist but it's pretty damn ignorant. What part of being gay prohibits the development of parenting skills? Quote a study please, not what you allegedly heard in Church. Thanks in advance.
It is not ignorant to think that the time tested method of a father and a mother raising a child is the best way to do so. In case you were unaware, two men are not able to conceive a child. Neither are two women. There is a reason for that. The best upbringing comes from a two-parent household with a mother and a father. Subjecting an unsuspecting child to the deviant lifestyles of two gay parents is an atrocity.
Nice work, Colbert. Bringing up reproduction, even though we're talking about adopting/raising a child. That was very Cobertesque! Don't forget to bring up Newt's strategy of creating massive orphanages... that'll really get the base going! I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have children raised in an institution instead of EEK! a gay family! My vote is to have the children raised in the church. Priests are so kind to children. Family values! Family values! Family values! Family values! Family values! P.S. Do you practice any other parts of Leviticus? I stoned my child to death just last week... I didn't like the tone he was giving me!
First of all, we're talking about adoption... when a child has no parents, I assume you're familiar with the meaning of adoption. I think we could all generally assume that one parent is better than no parent and that two gay parents are better than no parents. Second of all, you cannot demonstrate that an inability to conceive children prohibits a person from developing the skills required to be a good parent. Third of all, if deviant lifestyle is the threshhold by which a person is allowed to be a parent then there are tens of millions of heterosexuals that should have their children taken away from them. There's a difference between a deviant lifestyle, one that strays from the norm, and an immoral or illegal lifestyle. The atrocity here is that there are those who would deny children caring, loving parents because they happen to be gay.
I'm not quite sure i agree with TJ or CometsWin but i think it is truly sad that McCain couldn't just say how he felt on the situation. Basically he was saying 'I disagree with it but i'm not gonna give my opponent or the media a sound bite to run with'. I wish we could all here each candidates views without them trying to talk to us like children.
Mmm, nothing like the sight of a tired, dying, old thought pattern steeped in ignorance, hatred, and bigotry violently flapping its gums on a BBS as the reality based solution takes another steady step towards the daylight of acceptance.
There are plenty of studies that show that children who grow up in families with same sex parents do just as well as children from hetero parents. I'd be willing to bet they are less bigoted towards homosexuals and more tolerant however.
In red Texas two parent foster households are prevalent and highly supported. Major gaffe again by McCain.
But to subject the same child to a neverending string of foster homes, where non is permanent and some are abusive is just fine? We are talking about a child with no parents and no home. The "best way to do so" goes right out the window. We are already talking about a less than optimal situation. I am torn on the issue of gay adoption. I can understand the points that are made by both sides of the debate. Gay marriage on the other hand...call it a civil union if you'd like...keep the churches out of it if it makes you feel better. The FACT is that in the case of long term relationships where property is purchased jointly and so on...there needs to be a system for dividing the property upon dissolution of the relationship. For heterosexuals, it is called divorce court. To not have a similar mechanism for homosexual couples amounts to a denial of equal protection under the law.
I'm against Gay Adoption! No two men and no two women should be able to adopt kids! Parenthood is something that is between two responsible adults of the opposite gender. And yes we should let an orphan be an orphan when it comes to a gay couple trying to adopt them.
