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Massachusetts High Court Rules In Favor of Gay Marriage

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  1. Lil Pun

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    Massachusetts Court Rules for Gay Marriage

    BOSTON - The Massachusetts high court ruled Wednesday that only full, equal marriage rights for gay couples — rather than civil unions — are constitutional, clearing the way for the nation's first same-sex marriages in the state as early as May.

    "The history of our nation has demonstrated that separate is seldom, if ever, equal," the four justices who ruled in favor of gay marriage wrote in the advisory opinion requested by the state Senate.

    After seven gay couples sued in 2001, the Supreme Judicial Court ruled in November that gay couples have a constitutional right to marry, and gave the Legislature six months to change state laws to make it happen.

    But the vague wording of the ruling left lawmakers — and advocates on both sides — uncertain if Vermont-style civil unions would satisfy the court's decision.

    The Massachusetts court said any civil unions bill that falls short of marriage would establish an "unconstitutional, inferior, and discriminatory status for same-sex couples."

    The state Senate asked for more guidance from the court, whose advisory opinion was made public Wednesday morning when it was read into the Senate record.

    The much-anticipated opinion sets the stage for next Wednesday's constitutional convention, where the Legislature will consider an amendment that would legally define marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Without the opinion, Senate President Robert Travaglini had said the vote would be delayed.

    The soonest a constitutional amendment could end up on the ballot would be 2006, meaning that until then the high court's decision will be Massachusetts law no matter what is decided at the constitutional convention.

    "We've heard from the court, but not from the people," Gov. Mitt Romney said in a statement. "The people of Massachusetts should not be excluded from a decision as fundamental to our society as the definition of marriage."

    Travaglini said he wanted time to talk with fellow senators before deciding what to do next.

    "I want to have everyone stay in an objective and calm state as we plan and define what's the appropriate way to proceed," Travaglini said.

    Conservative leaders said they were not surprised by the advisory opinion, and vowed to redouble their efforts to pass the constitutional amendment.

    Mary Bonauto, an attorney who represented the seven couples who filed the lawsuit, said she anticipated a fierce battle, saying that "no matter what you think about the court's decision, it's always wrong to change the constitution to write discrimination into it."

    When it was issued in November, the 4-3 ruling set off a firestorm of protest across the country among politicians, religious leaders and others opposed to providing landmark rights for gay couples to marry.

    President Bush (news - web sites) immediately denounced the decision and vowed to pursue legislation to protect the traditional definition of marriage. Church leaders in the heavily Roman Catholic state also pressed their parishioners to oppose efforts to allow gays to marry.

    And legislators were prepared to vote on a proposed amendment to the state constitution that would seek to make the court's ruling moot by defining as marriage as a union between one man and one woman — thus expressly making same-sex marriages illegal in Massachusetts.

    What the case represented, both sides agree, was a significant new milestone in a year that has seen broad new recognitions of gay rights in America, Canada and abroad, including a June U.S. Supreme Court (news - web sites) decision striking a Texas ban on gay sex.

    Legal experts, however, said that the long-awaited decision, while clearly stating that it is unconstitutional to bar gay couples from marriage, gave ambiguous instructions to the state Legislature.

    Lawmakers remained uncertain if civil unions went far enough to live up to the court's ruling — or if actual marriages were required.

    When a similar decision was issued in Vermont in 1999, the court told the Legislature that it could allow gay couples to marry or create a parallel institution that conveys all the state rights and benefits of marriage. The Legislature chose the second route, leading to the approval of civil unions in that state.

    The Massachusetts decision made no mention of an alternative solution, but instead pointed to a recent decision in Ontario, Canada, that changed the common law definition of marriage to include same-sex couples and led to the issuance of marriage licenses there.

    The state "has failed to identify any constitutionally adequate reason for denying civil marriage to same-sex couples," the court wrote. "Barred access to the protections, benefits and obligations of civil marriage, a person who enters into an intimate, exclusive union with another of the same sex is arbitrarily deprived of membership in one of our community's most rewarding and cherished institutions."

    The Massachusetts case began in 2001, when the seven gay couples went to their city and town halls to obtain marriage licenses. All were denied, leading them to sue the state Department of Public Health (news - web sites), which administers the state's marriage laws.

    A Suffolk Superior Court judge threw out the case in 2002, ruling that nothing in state law gives gay couples the right to marry. The couples immediately appealed to the Supreme Judicial Court, which heard arguments in March.

    The plaintiffs argued that barring them from marrying a partner of the same sex denied them access to an intrinsic human experience and violated basic constitutional rights.

    Over the past decade, Massachusetts' high court has expanded the legal parameters of family, ruling that same-sex couples can adopt children and devising child visitation right for a former partner of a lesbian.

    Massachusetts has one of the highest concentrations of gay households in the country with at 1.3 percent of the total number of coupled households, according to the 2000 census. In California, 1.4 percent of the coupled households are occupied by same-sex partners. Vermont and New York also registered at 1.3 percent, while in Washington, D.C., the rate is 5.1 percent
     
  2. bamaslammer

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    Not good. Not good at all.
     
  3. Lil Pun

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    I think it's good. It's like the court said itself, separate is seldom if ever equal. Kudos to the court.
     
  4. Rocketman95

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    Very good. Very good indeed.

    Homosexuals could probably teach heterosexuals a thing or eight about the "sanctity" of marriage. Not to mention that Trader_Georgia now has a place to move once he finally leaves Houston!
     
  5. Batman Jones

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    Terrible news. Next thing you know they'll let them go to schools with normal people.
     
  6. nyquil82

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    and then they'll have to have seperate the drinking fountains....
     
  7. B-Bob

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    bama: serious question (if you were being serious).

    Why is it bad to have the government butt out of decisions. And YES, the is the government rightly saying "do whatever you want. What's the difference to us who's married?"

    If Bush really tries to set up a preventative law against gays marrying, that's major government involvement in people's business, which seems antithetical to your views.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    You're the least consistent self proclaimed libertarian I have ever met.
     
  9. bamaslammer

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    It's the very title that bothers me. It isn't marriage by any accepted standard. Marriage is between a man and a woman.....period. No ifs ands or buts. If you want to have civil unions with equivalent benefits, by all means, but calling it marriage? No.
     
  10. basso

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    while it's not bad that gay's can marry, it is bad that the courts have stepped into the fray and decided the issue. i fear we're in for another round of Roe style arguements.

    i'm curious, in the state's eyes, why are civil unions less equal than marriage? isn't marriage really a religious construct? legally, how are civil unions different?
     
  11. Batman Jones

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    The Massachusetts Supreme Court called civil unions unconstitutional because they relegate gays to second class citizen status.

    Ditto Sam Fisher. bama's the opposite of a libertarian.

    basso: If marriage is a religious construct it's going to be really interesting when Bush proposes a Constitutional amendment to define it.
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    Because **** by any other name still smells like ****.

    I echo the comment about you and libertarianism.
     
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    I think this is great news. At last a group of people is getting their chance at equal rights.

    I don't care that marriage has traditionally been a man and a woman only. For hundreds of years the tradition was that Black people were considered property and not humans. The fact that the definition changed in this country to include them was a step forward.

    I'm a man who's married to a woman, and I am not personally affected by this at all. Accept that I want equal rights for everyone. Like GW Bush said in the last presidential debates... I want equal rights for everyone(including homsexuals that wish to marry) and not special rights. It looks I'm still holding to my beliefs while the president is abandoning his.
     
  14. MR. MEOWGI

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    Who can a hermaphrodite marry?
     
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    If the word is so problematic, can we coin a new one?

    garriage :confused:

    "Oh, once we got garried, everything changed."
     
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    Fantastic news. This is a victory for everyone everywhere. Live and let live.
     
  17. Lil Pun

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    Accepted standards change over time. It was the standard 50 years ago for whites and blacks to eat, drink, ride, learn, etc. all at different facilities from one another now if you tried to institute the same thing today it wouldn't even happen. Marriage may still be thought of as a union between man and woman but times and definitions change.
     
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    One guy disagrees and you guys pile on. Typical.:rolleyes:
     
  19. basso

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    how, precisely?

    i'm against the amendment, and if backed into a corner would accept the mass courts decision. i still think it's bad law, and the wrong solution. it ensures that we've got another issues to add to the cultural wars. i don't undertsand why they couldn't wait for the legislature to act.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm curious. How does this add to the cultural wars? It seems to me that not allowing people equal rights under the law is what adds to the cultural wars. Isn't it better to just encompass everyone instead of trying to leave certain people out?

    Actually if you disagree with gay marriage that can be discussed later. The main thing I'm curious about is how leaving gay people out of marriage doesn't add to the cultural wars.
     

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