Of all the players drafted after Jason Collier, these three stick out the most. Everyone says that we lack a low post banger/defensive forward. In other words, we don't have a thug power forward. Our other weakness, supposedly is small forward, where the consenses here is that Walt should not be a starter in the NBA. That being said, I believe the Rockets wasted their pick on a 7-foot stiff, who's going to get pushed around in the NBA. He doesn't have enough muscle to get rebounds, and his height won't carry him like it did at Ga. Tech. I think these three guys could've helped us much more,and will stick in the NBA. Desmond Mason- Only 6'7, but probably the most athletic player in the draft. Rebounds and scores. Can play SG and SF. Does the dirty work- can play SF in Houston. Quentin Richardson- Another great rebounder (10 a game at DePaul) who at 6'6 is a bit of a tweener. Would've been a helluva lot better than Collier. Jamaal Magloire - Can play PF and C. Schooled Mihm in pre-draft camps. Won a NCAA title. Can hold his own in the low post. Rebounds and blocks shots. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
I agree 100% Baqui99. Q could have easily stepped in and played the 3 and he plays defense well and can score. He reminds me of Shanndon a little bit. Like you said anybody is better than Collier. That dude looked terrible out there. I really would have been pissed if we would have taken Collier over Crawford but he was already gone.
Come on guys what are you thinking? If we wanted to start a guy at SF who is only 6'6", Shandon whould be starting a SF. As good as SA is on D, there is nothing he can do when Rasheed Wallace is playing SF. ------------------ I'ma need more than 6 and a half rebounds a game from the PF
"If we wanted to start a guy at SF who is only 6'6", Shandon whould be starting a SF. As good as SA is on D, there is nothing he can do when Rasheed Wallace is playing SF." We don't play Portland every night, you know. Do you honestly expect Walt to defend Sheed? Oh, I suppose Jason Collier is going to stop him. I would take Mason, who's 6'7, 230, over Collier any day! ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Mason and Richardson both are undersized SF's- both mainly SGs- and we do not need them. Collier will crush Magloire, and I still think he may end up better than Mason and Q, but that remains to be seen. ------------------ Looking for next year's Dan Langhi? Draftsource.net ClutchTown.com
Baqui99, Mason is a 6'5 guard. Richardson is 6'4" and then some. Magliore schooled Mihm in ONE preseason workout at Chicago. So I'd pass on Richardson because we don't need another guard. Ditto for Mason. We would not make Mobley or Anderson if we made either of those picks and didn't the picks for cash and/or someting else. Magliore stayed in school last year because he a second-rounder and was scared that he wouldn't get drafted. He played great defense in college, but couldn't score there, and the boys are bigger and stronger in the NBA. So he can be good, but don't come out and expect him to be a stud just yet. But I do think that he may be a better fit for us if weren't for out motion offense. We wanted Collier because he is a 7 foot forward/center who set high picks and hit open jumpers or find guys cutting to the basket. He can also rebound (he DID lead the ACC-think of the schools in that conference!), although he needs improvement in that category. Defense? Magliore has got him there, but where else do you really see an advantage with your choice? I mean this politely, but tell me what you think and support your conclusion. I think that as between Pryzbilla and Collier, the decision gets tougher. But I see a chance that Pryzbilla will wind up being another Jim McIllvane who the Rockets also wisley didn't sign when he was a free-agent after his stint with the Bullets. A thug frontcourt player was an 80s fashion statement. The new rules frown on such play. Right now I stick by the decision to take Collier. But I'm gonna hate it if I see that Jabari Smith kid out of LSU whip it up. I see immediate positive effect on the Kings for that guy, even if it's less than "impact" in the sense of all-rookie first team status. ------------------ "Liberalism not only legitimizes envy, jealousy, ignorance, and the lack of moral standards, but it also makes these attributes virtues." --Drake Raft
Most Rocket fans wanted Dermarr Johnson, as shown in the polls (as I did), and my second choice was Desmond Mason because I know he's a bright guy who's EXTREMELY athletic. He'll do real well in Seattle, mark my words. BTW-will the game tonight be aired on ch.55 the tube b/c it said so in the chron but not in the tv guide. ------------------ The best is yet to come. Go Rockets!
Not just Rasheed. Dallas has a 7 footer at SF. Suns, Cliff Robinson 6'10"+ Lakers, Robert Horry 6'10" KG 7" Clippers, Lamar Odem 6'10"+ Maybe in the East, not in the West, cuz. ------------------ I'ma need more than 6 and a half rebounds a game from the PF
would you trade collier and langhi for donell harvey? he looked like trash on tuesday. ------------------ "Isn't the purpose of the game to put the ball in the basket?"
If we were going to draft a SF type with the Milwaukee pick, then surely it would've been Mo Peterson? At 6'6"1/2 he's almost a SF AND he can play D AND stick the 3. I'm a bit bemused as to why he didn't go earlier, maybe I'm just too high on him! But as it turned out we needed a "stretcher" or a big man who can extend the defense and allow the rest of our offense to go to work. I think taking Collier and a pick was the best way to do that - why take a flyer on an undersized SG who can't shoot (Q) or a streaky SF who's going to have to adjust to SG (Mason - although I like him..). P1S2; I liked Jabari Smith too, thought he was exactly what we needed, but it turns out he only measures at 6'9".... that's not really tall enough for my liking! ------------------
Baqui99, You might want to take a look at the stat line tonight on Magliore and Collier tonight. http://scores.nba.com/cgi/nba/live/htmlbuffer.dll?/live/20001012/chahou/boxscore_live.html I wish folks would wait until at least December before writing Collier off. ------------------ GATER [This message has been edited by GATER (edited October 12, 2000).]
Woulda, shoulda, coulda...... ------------------ Sometimes I think I'd be better off dead. No, wait, not me...you.
Well if Rudy wanted a big man he should have got Etan Thomas. Collier was the worst player taken in the whole first round. Look at the names and compare.
The four players I liked a lot talent wise after pick 15 were DeShawn Stevenson, Morris Peterson, Quentin Richardson and Donnell Harvey. However, the problem with picking Stevenson, Richardson or Peterson is that they are SGs in the NBA, a position the Rockets are loaded at. Harvey is a nice talent but is raw and will take time to develop, plus he does not fit the Rockets system well. My opinion is that people are jumping on the Desmond Mason and Jamaal Magloire bandwagons a little too early. Mason is a nice athletic talent, but at 6-5 still needs to refine his skills further to play SG in the NBA. He is dangerously close to being a tweener. Magloire I feel was picked way too early in this draft. His offensive game consists of one move, a hook shot that is extremely mechanical. No face up game, no smoothness. Also, Magloire is a little undersized at 6-10 for the center position and lacks the skills for the PF spot. Its not fair to fault Rudy T for passing on some of the talented SG prospects in this draft b/c he had to keep Cuttino happy. Otherwise, he could have just taken the best talent on the board, DeShawn Stevenson. Rudy T understands the importance of chemistry and keeping the players happy. He made a chemistry pick and kept Cuttino Mobley happy which in turn showed Steve Francis the loyalty this organization possesses. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
you know what we should have done. we should have traded our pick straight up to some crappier team for their number one pick next year. i would rather have NOTHING from this draft than Jason Collier. if that makes sense. ------------------
Holden, that makes NO sense. At least we have a serviceable backup center. Hakeem has been out with injury for decent spans the last few years. Cato has also shown that he could get sidelined by injury. I would rather be stuck with big man who rebounds and can stick the outside jumper then a 6'9 hustler who misses layups (I still respect ya though Piggy!). lilFrancis; Sure, Rudy coulda taken Etan Thomas - IMHO that's exactly what he planned to do, small problem was that Etan got taken before the Milwaukee pick came to us. Nobody really thought that Etan would go at number 12 - and we certainly didn't want him at a number 9 picks salary, so Rudy traded down to save some cap-space and aquire another pick... seems like Thomas was gone, but Collier seems like a pretty good fit as that insurance center! ------------------
we would have a nice draft pick for next year's deep draft, and we could have just resigned pig miller with the money we gave to collier. and that would be more than adequate. thats why it makes sense. ------------------
If all we needed was a "stretcher" as you call it, we didn't need to pick him in the first round! The CBA is loaded with big men who can shoot a 15-footer. Even Dan McClintok, out of Northern Arizona taken like 50th overall would've been good enough. Heck, we could've even gotten Danny Schayes out of retirement to play for us! When you're pick is in the middle of the first, you have to pick the best available, and certainly Collier was nowhere close to being the best at 15. ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
I like mason's game alot...he dunks and he dunks hard...his three point% was outstanding but we just didn't need another sg/sf.Personally I wish we kept Pryzbilla,from the highlights I've seen of him he is not the lumbering giant we were lead to believe he was and so far that is exactly what Collier appears to be...a lumbering giant with a jumper?Collier may turn out to be a solid backup at some point but it will be only because of his size and to a small extent his J but JPryzbilla has far more upside just from a defensive stand point.So in conclusion all the players are good and I'd even go so far to agree with you about them being better than collier but we had no need for mason or richardson so I wish we'd have just kept Pryzbilla. Alexander would have netted us a trade with Dallas Moiso has potential but could very well be another carlos rogers Thomas will be solid at the PF in the future just a few more players better than collier? ------------------ I'm not the type to eat it up but the type to hit it raw dog and seed it up.
Holden, why would some team give us a really good first round pick in this up coming draft considering it is projected to be deeper than last season's? Think about it. The best the Rockets could have done is gotten a team's pick that is a middle of the pack team in the NBA and usually picks middle of the first round. Well, the Rockets got a mid first round type pick PLUS Jason Collier. Please watch Collier for some time before making a rush to judgement. He has offensive skills, size, rebounding and fits well into this system with his ability to set solid screens and play the inside-outside game. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
