Maybe too early to tell but it is not looking good early. I am not so sure that the Hawks will be moving Haringhton anytime soon. RMR - Day 1 http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1050 RMR - Day 2 http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1052 RMR - Day 3 http://draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1054
Isn't it too early, or too stupid, or too eager to label any player a bust before he even played in the league for a year or two? By using your strategy, Yao should have been a bust two weeks into his first NBA season 3 years ago.
I wonder what's going on there. That's very uncharacteristic of Marvin Williams. I've been following him since he was a junior in highschool and he's a really special kid. He played for his small hometown highschool rather than transferring to a more prestigious program in Seattle. He worked as a sacker at a local grocery store up until he went to college. He's humble and well grounded. He has a good head on his shoulders. I'd be very, very surprised if this kid doesn't pan out and even more surprised if it was actually because of lack of effort.
Calling Williams a bust already is just as premature as the people around here saying that Dan Langhi was the second coming of Larry Bird after his first summer league.
Fair enough....but in the same token, a foot doctor or dentist by examining your foot and mouth can fore tell of diseases long before obvious symptoms become manifest. For the sake of prudence, it will be ill advised to even bring the "B" word but when terms like strugglish, slow and lazy (among other terms) are used to qualify a top 3 draft pickk's game against SL scrubs it makes you open your eyes and wonder. What exactly makes him so special? It wasn't like he was dorminant in college. I first noticed this in that ESPN draft special where they followed Marvin's workout for the Bucks, To say the least he was disappointing there as well. But people continue to proclaim him as the truth, a star for sure, a no brainer, best prospect. I hate to doubt scouts but atimes they leave you scratching your head when certain things do not add up. PS. In Yao's case, he declared a bust before he played his first NBA game because he is not even white but Chinese big man. I am black but that bothered me as it does now because I perceive Marvin is perceived as a surefire star because he is black. Though there may be precedence to support that but that does not make it fair.
Can we set an over under on the time "too early" or "too soon" will be used on this thread. I think CC could use a little more gamble...
I thought this thread was started as an antidote to the Bogut thread, but damn, those reviews of his summer league games aren't necessarily feathers in his cap.
Did you happen to miss all the talk that it would take him a few years to develop? He wasn't, isn't, and shouldn't be expected to come into the league looking to pull a LeBron. I agree with the others. Calling draft picks busts in July is ridiculous. Evan
I want to make it clear that this is not a declaration thread. There is a reason why question marks are used and it this case it used to somewhat stimulate our thoughts and re-evaluate Marvin again. Again no one is calling him a bust yet (heck even Darko has NOT been universally certified a bust yet). The troubling this here is that Marvin gets a pass because of his race - that is my suspicion and I may be wrong. With terms like lazy, slow and the like, it makes you wonder. No blue chip player ever reaches his or her potential when laziness resides in their blood. It is one term you NEVER was to be used on your star player. Maybe it is immaturity.....maybe it is a passion thing. He has even said he is not so crazy about basketball. It is indeed not my problem - he is a Hawk. Work ethic and atittude is something you cannot teach. Many folks get by in the NBA as a result of hype but it can only take you thus far. Marvin has not intrugued me yet to the level of his hype. It will be interesting if he eventually lives up to it. Some Atlanta fans on their message boards are already worried. Maybe it is not too early to "ASK" (???).
Fair point but note that Atlanta took a loaded lineup to the RMR. They took a very good team and likely one or two starters including Ivey, Josh Smith and Childress. They were supposed to dominate. It is one thing to have you shots not to fall while playing hard and giving his all even with a guaranteed contract ala (Childress, Luther Head, D Woard, etc) but it is another to be out played on paper by Darko. It takes a miracle for anyone to look worse that Darko Milicic.
Key word when Marvin was drafted: POTENTIAL. This kid is still only 19 years old, playing bad in a summer league doesn't mean anything at all. Guys like Baxter and Glover looked like Barkley and Jordan out there, yet, there is a good chance they won't even make a roster. Everyone said Williams is a prospect when he was drafted. It's a tough thing to be drafted so high when you're a prospect, everyone wants him to be good now, but it will take him 2-3 years before you see what type of player he really is.
You can't rely on these third-party accounts. I saw some of the SL games on NBA TV, and a lot of the players these sites were bashing looked fine to me.
I could think of several reasons for his poor performance so far: 1：Stamina problem. He couldn't complete the running drill at Milwaukee. 2：Doen's have a true positon yet. 3：He basicly played with 3 other swingmans in the Hawks summer league team: Josh Smith, Childress and Diaw. That's not too easy ...
Question this brings to my mind. I know it is different, but in general, what is the right time to make a decision on a player and his longterm future? Is it 25? in the NBA for 2 years? 2 months? preseason? is it 2 years in NBA for college grads and 5 years for high schoolers? And what is the right time to make a decision on a vet picked up during the offseason? Do they get half a year to blend in? Less? My personal opinion is that I tend to be patient, as long as I see signs of talent and progress. But I see an awful lot of need for immediate gratification from fans amd GMs alike.
I agree that it's way too early to call anybody a bust before they ever even play a real game, but I have my doubts about Marvin Williams. He's described as a freakish athlete and seems like a nice kid, but I just haven't seen much to get excited about in his play at NC or the highlights associated with the draft. I'm not big on the potential thing, but to be fair, he should not be judged for at least 3-4 years. I think Milwaukee made the right choice though taking Bogut, though.
