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Marshall signs with the Bulls

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DVauthrin, Aug 16, 2002.

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  1. DVauthrin

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  2. 3814

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    this will be HUGE for the bulls. they should be able to get 30-35 wins with this squad. marshall is a very solid player and will be able to play in front of the younger players to allow them to develop.

    roster: (how i'd do it)

    pg: jay williams/travis best
    sg: eddie robinson/fred hoiberg
    sf: jalen rose/marcus fizer
    pf: donyell marshall/tyson chandler
    c: eddie curry/oakley

    maybe a little small, but a VERY talented roster. i'm definately impressed with what they've done recently. now the chi/ind deal last year makes a little more sense, they don't need artest anymore (too many sf's) and ron mercer sucks...maybe brad miller would be helpful, but oh well, they look pretty good now.
     
  3. mfclark

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    The Bulls still don't have any depth.

    If they think Trenton Hassell, Jamal Crawford, Fred Hoiberg, Chandler, and the Euro center of the month can get it done off the bench, they are sadly mistaken.

    3814 - Oakley definately will not be back and Best most likely won't be back either.

    Marshall's simply someone to mentor Chandler for a couple of years. He may put up big numbers, but it won't translate to many wins.
     
  4. RocksMillenium

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    Very good signing by the Bulls! Marshall signed with the exception, I don't understand why the TimberWolves didn't use their exception to get Marshall, they could have used him. I wonder what this does with the Jazz, this has to guarantee that Malone will leave. I know Utah is good at staying afloat but there is no way they are a playoff team now even with Malone and Stockton. The Rockets and Clippers are definitely better then Utah. If Lewis leaves the Sonics, I see the Rockets and Clippers slipping into Utah and Seattle's playoff spots.
     
  5. 3814

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    the jazz did just get matt harpring, didn't they? he should somewhat fill the void...but still, they won't be a playoff team, just like they shouldn't have been last year.
     
  6. saleem

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    Getting Marshall for the MCE is a coup for the Bulls.I didn't think he was going to sign for the expection. He can play at the 3 and the 4 and can help out both Rose and Chandler.E.Rob will have to play at the 2 even though he is better suited for the SF spot.
    I wish the Rockets had gone for Marshall instead of Lewis which could have resulted in a possible trade of KT for another backcourt player.
     
  7. LAfadeaway33

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    If Chandler and Curry improve this year, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bulls make the playoffs. I mean afterall it's the east and the nets did it last year. Why not the Bulls? They've got more talent.
     
  8. Azim da Dream

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    The Bulls are starting to look impressive, on paper.
    They'll most likely plant J.Rose at 2-guard and have Marshall start for them at the 3 and play some 4. Eddie Robinson is a good energy guy to have off the bench as he was used in Charlotte. If Chandler and Curry start to improve this team is a potential darkhorse in the East.

    Then again, so are about another 5-6 teams.

    Azim da Dream
     
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    yep the bulls ar ebetter now..but i guess that leaves them out the lewis lottery.
     
  10. NYKRule

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    They'll only go as far as Jason brings them, and I think that'll be far.
     
  11. wagner

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    exelent move by bulls...

    their lineup looks imressive...
    thy will make plenty of noise in the east...

    their lineup should look like this :

    pg: jay williams / jamal crawford / travis best .
    sg: jalen rose / trenton hassell / fred hoiberg / roger mason jr.
    sf : donnyell marshall / eddie robinson / marcus fizer.
    pf : tyson chandler / marcus fizer / charles oakley / lonny baxter.
    c : eddy curry / dalibor bagaric / lonny baxter / corey blount.

    this is a good lineup to make a splash in the east....mayby in the playoffs if Jay Williams carries them there.
     
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    You're right, I think they signed Harpring yesterday to. I agree, he'll fill a need but they won't make the playoffs. I think the only reason they made the playoffs last year was because the Rockets were decimated by injuries, and the Clippers were to young. Now the Rockets will hopefully be healthy, and the Clippers have gotten experience and Andre Miller will help them considerably. If the Bulls get ANY contributions from their other big men, Chandler, Curry and others they're a .500 team and make a serious run at the playoffs. I know Jay Will is getting the hype, but the Bulls are Jalen Roses team, and as Rose goes so goes the Bulls.
     
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    LOL. I feel like a broken record. Donyell Marshall is Shandon Anderson/Howard Eisley/Greg Foster or any of the other worthless players that Jerry Sloan's system has made productive. You'de look good too if you had John Stockton finding you wide open under the basket or Karl Malone clearing the lane for you. This signng does nothing.
     
  14. Manny Ramirez

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    Er, since when has Eddie Robinson found an outside shot??

    If I remember correctly, his outside shot is about as good as another Eddie Robinson in the former Grambling coach.

    So, I don't see why some people think he can play the 2 spot.
     
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    wooow....this is the rigt ****
     
  16. DrNuegebauer

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    How do you figure that Blount falls to 4th string center behind a 6'8 second round pick (Baxter) and a player who doesn't contribute much (Bagaric).
    I think Blount will probably start at Center with Curry backing him up, and Donyell may well start at PF with Chandler logging big minutes behind him.

    But the Bulls moves have been impressive so far this off-season. The playoffs beckon for them, and they've recruited enough experience to get them there.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see Fizer traded for a vet SF.
     
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    Dang I thought that light bulb in Jerry Krause's head burnt out long time ago.
     
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    I don't understand this at all.

    On Marshall's end, I really don't get it. This is a guy who finally got off totally crapy teams a couple of seasons ago, is now in his prime or just slightly past, and goes to play for a rebuilding young sucky team with a rookie PG (all these things you know will lead to frustration for a vet who actually wants to win and play good team ball). I guess being a starter on a crappy team for the same money better teams could offer (I got to think other teams would offer the MCE for him) was a bigger draw than playing on a good team off of the bench, or maybe even as a starter for a decent team but in a lessor role.

    On the Bulls end, to some degree it is understandable. Marshall actually has been a serviceable starter the last few years in the league. He either is a SF who boards real well or a PF with some range--either is not bad to have. Assumming he stays healthy they will win a few more games with DM than they would without him (say 5-8). But at the same time guys like Marshall (as well as Rose) will be totally ineffective players by the time the Curry-Chandler-JW group starts to jell at all. Why not use the MCE for a less currently competent player but one who is young with some talent who potentially can play for you for 8 years or so. Also, guys like Marshall and Rose are far from what you would call great team-oriented leaders (teachers) with championship experience and rather cut into the playing times of the guys they need to develop.

    Again, I really don't understand this move, but especially from DM's end. Maybe he just isn't very bright and already forgot what it was like before he got to the Jazz (though we hate the Jazz you can't deny they were better than DM's previous teams and knew how and when to pass the rock).
     
  19. AstroRocket

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    cabbage, did you even watch Marshall at all before he went to Utah? He definitely hasn't been produced by the Jazz system.

    Last year with GS:

    PPG: 14.2

    RPG: 10.0

    BPG: 1.06

    MPG: 32

    Next 2 with utah:

    PPG: 14.1

    RPG: 7.2

    BPG: 1.04

    MPG: 29

    The only thing that changed greatly for Marshall was his FG%, (from 39% to 51%) due in good part to a much improved shot selection and playing with a competent PG. The guy has real talent. He'll help the bulls.
     
  20. DrNuegebauer

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    What's to say that JayWill won't by able to step in and contribute right away? I'm not suggesting that he's going to be an All-Star in his rookie year, but at least he's going to bring his skills (already developed that is) to the table and contribute.

    Having Rose around takes a lot of pressure of the younger guys while they develop. Rose is a proven 20+ppg scorer who can also create. Rose was the star player on an Indiana team that almost won a title - he's had loads of playoff experience and is a guy who can make big shots.

    Bringing Donyell to the mix takes a lot of pressure off Rose! Instead of Rose having to force everything, Donyell can step in and contribute right now, and in a good way. There wouldn't be many people who would bet against Marshall averaging near a double-double this year (14-8 or something). This also takes the pressure off the younger players in their first years in the league!

    Development isn't all about playing time, and you don't get better by osmosis - it helps if there are players to learn from! Krause went with the gung-ho youth policy for a couple of years, and the Bulls pulled the worst league record for a few years! Now he makes a good move in signing vets (who can actually play, not like the Mercer/ ERob vets he signed previously) and puts this team in with a real chance of making the playoffs! What's to criticise?

    As for why Donyell would make the move; perhaps he desires to be a key player for a team that will have success in the playoffs. Don't tell me the Jazz were going to win it all this year, and they certainly weren't going anywhere after Malone and Stockton left - if anything they'd be in a worse position than the Bulls. Marshall now finds himself as a team leader for a growing team, and anyone who wants to take a leadership role is a valuable asset!
     

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