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Marine Times: Corps’ top general in Iraq criticizes handling of Fallujah

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  1. Oski2005

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    Corps’ top general in Iraq criticizes handling of Fallujah

    By Christian Lowe
    Times staff writer


    Many who fought in Fallujah may have been thinking it, but weren’t willing to say it — that Marines did not want to launch the April siege there, and once in the fight, they didn’t want to pull out before the job was done.
    In a candid interview Sept. 12 with four major newspapers at his command post in Iraq, Lt. Gen. James Conway said senior coalition commanders in Iraq ordered the Marines into Fallujah against his advice and counter to the Corps’ long-term plan to quell the city’s insurgency.

    Moreover, before Marines could consolidate their gains, they were ordered out, replaced by an unproven local security force cobbled together without the input of senior Marines on the ground there, said Conway, the outgoing commander of I Marine Expeditionary Force.

    His comments followed those of Brig. Gen. John Kelly, who was assistant 1st Marine Division commander under Conway. Now serving as the commandant’s legislative assistant, Kelly offered a similar analysis of Fallujah during a seminar held Sept. 7 near Washington, D.C.

    “We were ordered to go into Fallujah against our inclination,” Kelly said at a joint U.S. Naval Institute and Marine Corps Association forum. “That was not what we wanted to do in Fallujah. We had a different game plan. A longer game plan.”

    The force of 25,000 I MEF leathernecks had arrived in Iraq and assumed responsibility for Anbar province from Army forces less than a month before the Fallujah operation began. They arrived vowing to address the insurgency problem with a “hearts-and-minds” approach. Army forces had encountered tough resistance in the city throughout their occupation, so the Corps envisioned employing a less aggressive strategy, hoping it would garner better results.

    But after four private security contractors were killed and their mutilated bodies were paraded in the city streets March 31, two reinforced Marine battalions were ordered in to assault the city.

    “We felt like we had a method that we wanted to apply to Fallujah — that we ought to probably let the situation settle before we appeared to be attacking out of revenge,” Conway told The Washington Post.

    More than a dozen Marines were killed and scores were wounded in the resulting clashes during the nearly monthlong siege.

    In April, coalition military officials had vowed not to rush into a Fallujah attack, planning instead a patient, lasting approach to countering the insurgency there.

    “We are not going to do a pell-mell rush into the city,” said Army Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, then a coalition military spokesman, at a press conference just days before the operation against Fallujah was launched. “It’s going to be deliberate, it will be precise and it will be overwhelming.

    A Pentagon spokesman declined comment on the Marines’ remarks. “We don’t have anything to say on that,” Army Lt. Col. Barry Venable said Sept. 17.

    Conway spoke to reporters after handing over command of I MEF to Lt. Gen. John Sattler, formerly commander of Combined Joint Task Force Horn of Africa and the 2nd Marine Division. Conway’s next assignment is as director of operations for the Joint Staff at the Pentagon.

    Once ordered into the fight for Fallujah, Marine commanders wanted to finish the job, but the head of coalition forces in Iraq at the time, Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, ordered the Marines out and a hastily assembled “Fallujah Brigade” — made up of former Iraqi army commanders and local militia — into the city, according to published reports on Conway’s Sept. 12 comments.

    At the time, Marines had little faith in the brigade and were left feeling bitter, believing that victory was snatched from their grasp.

    “We were quite happy with the progress of the attack,” Conway said. “We thought we were going to be done in a few days.”

    Conway hands his successor a Fallujah still teeming with terrorists and insurgents.

    The city is one of only a few so-called “no-go zones” for American forces in Iraq. The Fallujah Brigade was disbanded in early September, leaving the city arguably worse off than it was before the April assault.

    U.S. aircraft have pounded the city in recent weeks, including a Sept. 10 strike on an alleged safe house run by terrorists aligned with al-Qaida affiliate Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

    Reports indicate that another full-scale assault on the town is imminent, a job now left to Sattler.

    “Would our system have been better?” Conway asked. “You’ll never know for sure. But at the time, we certainly thought so.”


    http://www.marinetimes.com/story.php?f=1-MARINEPAPER-356833.php

    Is interference from Washington hurting the mission in Iraq?
     
  2. basso

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    can't comment about what his plans would've resulted in had they not been ordered into the city when they were, but he's absolutely correct, in my mind, that once commited they should've been allowed to finish the job.
     
  3. DaDakota

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    Exactly Basso !!!

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    in general, i think the administration has done an excellent job of keeping politics out of it's prosecution of the war. in this instance, however, i think they succumbed to outside criticism. even if they go back and finish the job w/ iRaqi troops in a few months, the benefits of completeing the job last april would've far outweighed whatever efemeral benefits they may have thought they were getting w/ the arab world by letting the insurgents off the hook.
     
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    Absolutely. This is an example of political considerations interfering with combat operations, to the detriment of our military. At that time, the Administration didn't want casualties to become higher than they already were among our people. It was unbelievable stupidity, that has lead to more casualties, along with greater political turmoil and instability.

    Kudos for this Marine general for speaking out. Just the fact that he did points to just what a mistake this was. This man just put his career on the line. Hell, we need to recruit more Marines! How about 40,000 more of them, Senator Kerry? It's OK by me.


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  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the General is absolutely correct. They didn't have to go in when they did, but once they went in, they needed to finish the job. They need to know that when they move they are going to be playing for keeps.
     
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    Fallujah is the Iraq war in a nutshell. The attack was ordered by politicians without any reference to a real threat or military objective. (Remember the attack on Fallujah was in response to killing and burning of the civilian contractors. Why did this incident merit this level of military response?)

    And just as in Iraq as a whole once military operations were under way, there was no good solution in Fallujah. The level of violence required to "win" in Fallujah would probably generate even more resistance to the occupation. Yet starting the offensive and then stopping short of victory emboldens and strenghtens the insurgents.
     
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    You obviously haven't been paying attention to Dick Cheney's stump speech.
     
  9. Kim

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    Oski, I didn't know you read the Marine Times. Cool.
    Are you thinking about joining?
     

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