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Marijuana: Drug, Medical, Legal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by chrispbrown, Aug 17, 2013.

  1. chrispbrown

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    I recently visited a friend in Denver and as you know the state of Colorado is at the front of Marijuana change in the united states. I have smoke weed before and I don't see it as a terrible thing, but I will never be one to go out and push for marijuana legality or whatever.

    To be honest though it was kind of a "shock" to see these clinics just in plain view! My friend lives in a nice neighborhood and his house is right next to a facility. All of these places are clean and not really shady, but it was crazy to see the different types of people going in and out of them. First person I saw was an old man, probably 75. He came out with a grocery bag haha.

    While I do believe there is some medical application in consumed or vaporized, not smoked, marijuana, I still think the medical "image" is a little silly.

    This is a great article by Dr. Sanjay Gupta:

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana

    So where does everyone stand on marijuana?
     
  2. Northside Storm

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    legalize.

    From an economic and moral point of view, it just makes sense.

    Holder's recent acknowledgement of how f**ked up the judicial system was with regards to minor drug crimes is probably going to be a shiny spotlight after a series of DOJ clusterf**ks. The fact the Obama Admin. has been selective, again, with their interpretation of law is puzzling, but maybe Obama will "evolve" again.

    DOMA Section 3 could be invalidated, so could sections of the Controlled Substances Act.

     
  3. chrispbrown

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    I agree to legalize, but the problem in our country is the moral aspect.

    These things, drugs, gambling, prostitution, all have stigmas that we have a problem justifying and by legalizing we are apparently accepting it.

    Could you explain the Obama selective interpretation? I am in the dark on that.
     
  4. Kojirou

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    Ambivalent, leaning towards no. If I got the impression from marijuana advocates that this was only about marijuana, I'd probably go yes, but marijuana's advocates have done everything in their power to disabuse me of that notion. To me, this isn't about marijuana. This is about people wanting to legalize other ****, but they can't just go ahead and blare that they want to legalize cocaine and stuff, so they dance around marijuana first to set a precedent to make the second step easier.

    There are right reasons to legalize marijuana. But there are very, very wrong reasons to legalize it as well, and I'm not willing to legalize marijuana if those are the reasons we're legalizing it.
     
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    Legalize, no question.
     
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    They really need to set the laws in place to legalize it
    and the consequences of abuse

    I think it should be regulated like Alcohol
    but once legal will the call of . .. IF THEY CAN GO TO WAR THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO SMOKE A BLUNT be in effect?

    Rocket River
     
  7. chrispbrown

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    I agree in some sense. I would be naive to say the medical use isn't abused, but are you of the belief that it is impossible to have some benefit?

    I do not see eye to eye with you about legalizing other drugs as the true motive, but that is not doubt something to be concerned about and no way do I want cocaine, heroine, ect legalized. Could you expand on some of the reason not to legalize?

    I think the financial benefit, putting somewhat of a dent in legal costs and jail occupation, and cartel business out weight the negative effects that I can think of. That being said I am open to hear your negative effects.
     
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    I need more information on this.

    Does this reduce ambition in people? Anecdotally, many of the regular pot smokers I have known over the years became lazy and lethargic, leading to underperformance in the workplace and just "not giving a schit".
     
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    The Obama Administration chose not to defend DOMA Section 3 while it was on the books due to the mere belief that it was unconstitutional, now they are waffling and trying to hit as hard as possible with the CSA. Really has to do more with personal views of the Admin. imo, and if Obama "evolves" like he did with same-sex (a great thing), then hopefully the interpretation and enforcement of the law will be changed (while moving on towards amending it).
     
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    if that was the criteria for a criminal offense, there's a whole host of things that would be criminal, including certain classes of jobs.

    Anyways, drug use might be a good sign for how intelligent your workforce is.

    [​IMG]

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog.../201010/why-intelligent-people-use-more-drugs

    inb4 top 1 drug user job creator Apple P Jobs, and DNA discoverer CRICK

    http://www.cracked.com/article_16532_the-5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-while-high.html
     
  11. Phillyrocket

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    Legalize and tax the hell out of it.
     
  12. chrispbrown

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    No doubt that is a negative effect of marijuana, but the same could be said for alcohol. I think that the people that would choose to use marijuana in that fashion are already buying marijuana so might as well tax them for it. On top of that legalizing probably will not take a non user and make them a lethargic under performer.
     
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    also, what's the verdict on gateway or not?
     
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    To add to what I said above a night of drinking vs a night of smoking weed are entirely different. You could get high out of your mind and EASILY go to work the next day and be productive. The same could not be said about alcohol.

    While I think the alcohol vs marijuana arguement is valid, it is weak and can not be used just because of the perception, which is unfortunate. We are able to "accept" alcoholism as a negative effect of drinking, but not the lazy super stoner, which I think is a little logically inconsistent.
     
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    That theory has been debunked.

    It just happens that a lot of weed dealers have pills, coke, mollies, etc.



    They'll push that on their "clients". It's all about self-control. There's no evidence that proves sceintifically that smoking bud will make one want to venture out to other drugs. It surely doesn't happen in the Netherlands.



    The Union: The Business Behind Getting High

    It's on Netflix. It'll open your eyes.
     
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    Great question.

    I believe that marijuana does not make you want to try other drugs, but I think that it is the first drug people do. Does that make it a gateway? I have to say yes if your definition is what was the starting point, but no if it subconsciously makes you want to try other drugs.
     
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    I tried alcohol and cigs way before weed. Not sure why it gets the gateway label.
     
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    I think marijuana is a gateway in a sense, but much of that is the fault of our drug education program. Current drug education emphasizes that marijuana will kill you or something, and so when college kids take it and find out that it's not that bad, a lot of them will immediately think "Well, those guys in drug education must have been lying to me altogether! Surely cocaine and meth isn't all that bad then!"

    Not so much a reason not to legalize, but I utterly reject the "Who cares if it's dangerous or not, it's my body" argument. That's the key issue for me. If we're legalizing marijuana because it's not that dangerous, or because our system of punishment is not the right system, those are the argument I can understand. I won't accept legalizing marijuana if we're using the libertarian argument.
     
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