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March 2001 report: Iraqi agents arrested in Germany

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  1. basso

    basso Member
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    This info, along with the able danger revelations, was not included in the 9/11 commission's report. it's now clear, if it wasn't before that the report contains only a partial picture of the events leading up to the attack. we need to take a fresh look at 9/11- from a non-partisan viewpoint. there have been too many revelations in the last few days to feel confident in what we have.

    the info below was contemporaneously corroborated by the BBC and Reuters.

    http://www.meib.org/articles/0104_irb.htm#irb3

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    Iraqi Spies Reportedly Arrested in Germany
    16 March 2001

    Al-Watan al-Arabi (Paris) reports that two Iraqis were arrested in Germany, charged with spying for Baghdad. The arrests came in the wake of reports that Iraq was reorganizing the external branches of its intelligence service and that it had drawn up a plan to strike at US interests around the world through a network of alliances with extremist fundamentalist parties.

    The most serious report contained information that Iraq and Osama bin Ladin were working together.
    German authorities were surprised by the arrest of the two Iraqi agents and the discovery of Iraqi intelligence activities in several German cities. German authorities, acting on CIA recommendations, had been focused on monitoring the activities of Islamic groups linked to bin Ladin. They discovered the two Iraqi agents by chance and uncovered what they considered to be serious indications of cooperation between Iraq and bin Ladin. The matter was considered so important that a special team of CIA and FBI agents was sent to Germany to interrogate the two Iraqi spies.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    I would be interested in seeing this report. I wonder if it has the same problems with it as the Able danger report which is turning out to not be anything remarkable in its revelations.
     
  3. Ubiquitin

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    Yet, the 9/11 Commission declared 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. So brace for it everyone, this week's reason for war is 9/11. Repeat that, 9/11.


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5223932/
     
  4. wnes

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    Insert bigtexxx's quote:

    "I'm not surprised the BBC and Reuters would point out minor mistakes in the US's effort to fight terror on earth. This is a pathetic waste of space and really shows the BBC's and Reuters' true intentions of belittling America any way they can. The BBC and Reuters = trash"
     
  5. basso

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    that's the point- the 9/11 commission left it out, nor does it seem to have had the able danger stuff- see thom Kean's remarks in today's NYTimes. there are just too many holes, too much new info. i think it's likely this info never made it to the president's desk, so it likely didn't figure in his pre-war calculations. i think it's important to de-politicize this.

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    The chairman of the Sept. 11 commission called on the Pentagon on Wednesday to move quickly to evaluate the credibility of military officers who have said that a highly classified intelligence program managed to identify the Sept. 11 ringleader more than a year before the 2001 attacks. He said the information was not shared in a reliable form with the panel.

    The chairman, Thomas H. Kean, a former Republican governor of New Jersey, offered no judgment about the accuracy of the officers' accounts. But he said in an interview that if the accounts were true, it suggested that detailed information about the intelligence program, known as Able Danger, was withheld from the commission and that the program and its findings should have been mentioned prominently in the panel's final report last year.

    "If they identified Atta and any of the other terrorists, of course it was an important program," Mr. Kean said, referring to Mohamed Atta, the Egyptian ringleader of the attacks. "Obviously, if there were materials that weren't given to us, information that wasn't given to us, we're disappointed. It's up to the Pentagon to clear up any misunderstanding."
     
  6. Baqui99

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    Someone get this guy a "jump to conclusions" mat.
     
  7. rhester

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    I would like to see the transcript of this meeting-
    On July 22, 2005, Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA) will host a full-day briefing, co-sponsored by Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), and other sponsors, for Members of Congress and their staffs in the Caucus Room, Cannon House Office Building, Room 345, Independence Ave. & First Street SE, from 9:00 am to 5:00 pm.

    One year after the release of the 9/11 Commission Final Report many questions about what transpired on September 11, 2001 and who should be held accountable still remain unanswered. Serious flaws and omissions in the Report have been addressed by whistleblowers and academics. Well known researchers and authors have put the evnts of that day into historical perspective, and have suggested possible alternatives to the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission regarding intelligence reform, domestic and foreign policy. The hard evidence has yet to be properly evaluated, and points to the need for full transparency, release of information, and continued probative investigations to have an effective, democratic response to the crisis that confronts all of us.

    Family members of the victims of 9/11 will present a “Report Card” to address their still unanswered questions about the events of 9/11 and the lack of accountability for the security and intelligence failures that may have allowed these events to happen. Other experts will speak to the flaws in the 9/11 Commission’s process, including conflicts of interest, lack of transparency, investigative rigor and public input, and the many whistleblowers ignored by the Commission.

    One panel of experts will explore the omissions and errors in the Commission’s Final Report, including the timeline of NORAD/FAA and P-56 defense responses that day, the suspects and plot, the background of Al Qaeda and bin Laden, the involvement of other countries, the obstruction of investigations by the FBI and CIA, and foreknowledge and forewarnings prior to the attacks. Another panel will place 9/11 into historical perspective and looka t the flawed assumptions that misled the Commission’s work, including the politics of illegal drugs, oil investments, covert operations and terrorism, as well as past covert operations like Contragate and the rise of the neo-conservatives and their agenda.

    The last half of the day will be a critical examination by experts of the Commission’s recommendations concerning domestic and foreign policy and intelligence reforms, suggesting other alternatives and policies that could lead to real security and preserve civil liberties and democracy. Rep. McKinney will also address the need for further investigation and opening the evidence for public scrutiny.

    A list of confirmed speakers so for includes:

    Rober McIlvaine, father of 9/11 victim, member of September 11th Families for Peaceful Tomorrows
    Marilyn Rosenthal, mother of 9/11 victim, professor at U. of Michigan, expert on forewarnings to 9/11
    Robert Baer, author of Sleeping with the Devil and See No Evil, former CIA
    Nafeez Ahmed, author of The War on Truth, Director, Institute for Policy Research & Development
    Jumana Musa, Amnesty International
    Melvin Goodman, Fellow, Center for International Policy, former CIA
    John Newman, Ph.D., professor University of West Virginia, former NSA analyst
    Paul Thompson, author of The Terror Timeline
    Elaine Cassel, author of The War on Civil Liberties, legal expert
    William Michaels, author of No Greater Threat
    Lauretta Napoleoni, author of Terror Incorporated: Tracing the Dollars Behind the Terror Networks
    Anne Norton, author of Leo Strauss and the Politics of American Empire
    Mary Rose Oaker, President, American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, legal expert
    Peter Dale Scott, Ph.D., professor UC Berkeley, author of Drugs, Oil and War, former Canadian diplomat
    Murray Weiss, author of The Man Who Warned America concerning FBI agent John O’Neill who died on 9/11
     
  8. basso

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    here's more background from the weeklystandard.com:

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/951nmtfi.asp?pg=1

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    The Omission Commission
    The 9/11 Commission Report failed to make any mention of Iraqi operations in Germany that might have been connected to al Qaeda.
    by Edward Morrissey
    08/17/2005 12:00:00 AM

    REPRESENTATIVE CURT WELDON dropped a delayed political bombshell with a special-orders speech last June in which he revealed the existence of a data-mining program at the Pentagon named Able Danger, which he claimed had identified Mohammed Atta and three of the other 9/11 hijackers as al Qaeda operatives over a year before the attacks. Almost two months later, an intelligence-community periodical, Government Security News, noted the speech. This caught the attention of New York Times reporter Douglas Jehl, who informed the nation that far from missing the terrorist cell before the 9/11 attacks, military intelligence had identified them with plenty of time to act.

    Questions immediately arose about why no law-enforcement agency took action with the information, and why the 9/11 Commission made no mention of Able Danger or the identification of Atta's cell in its final report. The sources for Weldon's revelations insist that the political atmosphere and the attorneys at the Pentagon would not allow the military to share the information with the FBI, believing (1) the existence of the data-mining project would create a political backlash against the Defense Department, and (2) it would violate the policies of the Department of Justice to have coordination between military intelligence and the FBI involving a legal resident in the United States, as they believed Atta to be.

    As for why the 9/11 Commission made no mention of Able Danger, the Commission itself seemed completely unable to provide an answer. Weldon's sources claimed that they had briefed the Commission on two separate occasions, in October 2003 and July 2004, just before the release of their final report. The Commission's spokesman, Al Felzenberg, initially scoffed at that claim. He acknowledged that the Commission had learned of the Able Danger program during the October 2003 briefing, but that Atta's name had not come up at all. "They all say that they were not told anything about a Brooklyn cell," Felzenberg said. "They were told about the Pentagon operation. They were not told about the Brooklyn cell. They said that if the briefers had mentioned anything that startling, it would have gotten their attention."

    A competing series of revelations--from Time magazine, Curt Weldon's book, the Bergen Record, and even from the Commission itself (just four days after stating that they had no recollection at all of the July 2004 briefing)--has cast a shroud of doubt over everyone's credibility, including Weldon. Moreover, it has given momentum for those who felt that the Commission's final report left a significant part of the story untold. Noting that Able Danger, or any other data-mining program, gets no mention at all but that the Commission recommendations include expanding existing data-mining efforts and providing better coordination among them (pages 388-389), critics have begun searching for other data points left out of the Commission's analysis.

    THEY MIGHT START with a few cryptic media reports from March 2001 regarding two arrests made in Germany. The BBC and Reuters both noted the capture of Iraqi intelligence agents in Heidelberg. Both reports gave essentially the same minimal data on March 1:

    The Germans did not arrest these Iraqi operatives on a whim. Their counterintelligence operations had tracked them for some time before closing in and capturing the two. At the time, American and British forces had launched air raids on radar stations in Iraq's no-fly zones and the assumption was that the Iraqis may have wanted to hit American forces stationed in Heidelberg in retaliation. However, by March 16, a Paris-based Arabic newspaper had developed more information on the arrests. The Middle East Intelligence Bulletin summarized the report from al-Watan al-Arabi:

    Interestingly, journalists such as Amir Taheri considered al-Watan al-Arabi to be a pro-Saddam publication--not surprising given its Parisian readership. Despite its reporting against its presumed interests, the al-Watan al-Arabi article generated no interest either at the time or afterwards. A scan of the Commission report finds no mention of these arrests in Heidelberg, nor any of the CIA or FBI interviews reported by al-Watan al-Arabi.

    Why should any of this have mattered to the 9/11 Commission? Their report provides the most important reason: The 9/11 plot began its practical planning in Hamburg, beginning in 1999 and assisting Mohammed Atta and the other 9/11 plotters through the summer of 2001. Having discovered two Iraqi intelligence agents conducting "missions . . . in a number of German towns since the beginning of 2001" indicates at least the possibility of more than just a sabotage assignment. Even apart from the al-Watan al-Arabi reporting, the strange coincidence of discovering Iraqi intelligence operations in such close conjunction to known al Qaeda operations should have raised some eyebrows.

    If the 9/11 report is any indication, no one on the Commission considered this connection. In fact, no one knows whether or not the Commission even knew about these arrests. In the years following the 9/11 attacks, there has been much argument about the nature of Saddam Hussein's connections to terror. How could the U.S. government and the 9/11 Commission fail to consider this, given the other activity occurring in Germany during this period:

    * Mohammed Atta and Ramzi Binalshibh meet in Berlin in January 2001 for a progress meeting, around the same time German counterintelligence claimed that they picked up the Iraqi trail.

    * Ziad Jarrah, another of the crucial al Qaeda pilots, transits between Beirut and Florida through Germany twice during the 2000-2001 holiday season, flying back to the United States at the end of February.

    * Marwan al-Shehhi disappears in Casablanca, then constructs a cover story about living in Hamburg.

    In fact, the Commission report notes that three of the four al Qaeda team leaders (excepting Hani Hanjour, who had at that time just begun his pilot training) interrupted their planning to take foreign trips (page 244). Why would these men interrupt their preparations in this manner? Traveling in and out of the United States presented a risk--a manageable risk, as events proved--but having three of the four team leaders outside of their established cells at the same time looks unnecessarily foolhardy from al Qaeda's point of view. It also appears to be the only time after their first entry into the United States that this travel occurred. All three had some German connection to their trips. In fact, Jarrah left Germany the same week that the Germans captured the Iraqi agents.

    All of this activity in Germany could, of course, just be a coincidence. However, we have no explanation from the 9/11 Commission about why the al Qaeda team leaders who all hailed from the Hamburg cell felt it necessary to travel separately to Germany at the same time that German counterintelligence discovered the Iraqi espionage operation. We have no mention at all of even a coincidental, parallel hostile operation in the vicinity of the al Qaeda team leaders. Just as in the case of Mohammed Afroze, the Commission never bothers even to supply the dots that might connect outside their preferred narrative.

    Edward Morrissey is a contributing writer to The Daily Standard and a contributor to the blog Captain's Quarters.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    Of course the able danger report doesn't show that they identified Atta, and even Curt Weldon now admits that he isn't sure that Atta's name was actually on the report he listed as having Atta's name on it. The more we know about it, the less relevant it becomes. The able danger report doesn't show that Gorelick put up any walls between intel, and in fact she was actually trying to make intel sharing easier.

    I wonder if this new report mentioned in the original post is another red herring, or might be something more significant.
     
  10. wnes

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    US Diplomat Named in Israel Spy Case

    WASHINGTON, Aug. 17 - The second-highest diplomat at the United States Embassy in Baghdad is one of the anonymous government officials cited in an Aug. 4 indictment as having provided classified information to an employee of a pro-Israel lobbying group, people who have been officially briefed on the case said Wednesday.

    The diplomat, David M. Satterfield, was identified in the indictment as a United States government official, "USGO-2," the people briefed on the matter said. In early 2002, USGO-2 discussed secret national security matters in two meetings with Steven J. Rosen, who has since been dismissed as a top lobbyist for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, known as AIPAC, who has been charged in the case.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/18/p...24942400&en=0e659a03a38b1410&ei=5070&emc=eta1
     
  11. basso

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    to say that gorelick was attempting to tear down the intelligence wall is just nonsense- she was it's primary architect, and she should have been a witness before the commission, not a member

    and whether weldon saw atta's name, is irrelevant to whether the 9/11 commission did. they knew about able danger, a project conceived to track bin laden and al queda in the year before we were attacked, and left it out of their report. it's analogous to studying the attack on pearl harbor and leaving out any mention of the japanese navy.
     
  12. F.D. Khan

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    That is really a way to lose a lot of credibility with Iraqi's and the Arab world. Have our officials secretly meet with Isreal and give them information on our efforts.

    This just fans the flames to the conspiracy crowd and I think we need to prosecute these people beyond losing their title/position. That is treason as they are revealing classified US interests to foreign countries. We've had issues w/ Isreal spying and AIPAC attempting to obtain information with cases like Jonathon Pollard. We need to let Isreal know that our handout of billions of dollars, tax relief and military support and equipment are not free and attempts to seize information or make our mission in Iraq look questionable will be reasoning for cutoffs. US support subsidizes Isreal and the country would go broke in a few years and bankrupt if we cut them off, so they damn well better listen.
     
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    Awesome! :)
     
  14. wnes

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    I agree. America should stop acting as Israel's caretaker. This step alone will ensure the eliminatation of lots of problems for U.S. - foreign policies as well as terrorism from Arab world. IMO, this is the MAC (Mother of All Connections).
     
  15. FranchiseBlade

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    I can see why you would think she was the primary architect since conservative main stream media is saying that, and certain little cartoons are trying to portray that as the case, but isn't true, and even the Justice department have admitted as such. There is no doubt about it Gorelick didn't build the wall, and actually tried to make sharing information easier.

    In addition to what I already cited here is more.

     

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