Does anyone else find it odd that Marc Jackson is still unsigned by GS or that no other teams have even made an offer. It seems that his position is one of bystander in a game of "Chicken." Stated clearly, teams are unwilling to offer a ton of money for fear they would have to pay, conversely teams are also unwilling to low ball an offer that would allow GS to match and walk away with his services for cheap. Further compounding the issue is the one year experience factor. Funny, even in a league starving for quality Centers, the cap and the luxury tax have become inhibitors to the previous practice of taking reasonable risks on reasonable talent. (This does not explain the MacCollough signing at all....other than NJ likes signing uncoordinated white guys to hugh unsubstantiated contracts.....LOL) I say we make an offer with our remaining cap space, then sign Moochie for his bird rights. At least we would take our shot at getting some kind of inside help!
I say we make an offer with our remaining cap space Which is what, one million? I'm sure the Warriors won't match that.
"I say we make an offer with our remaining cap space, then sign Moochie for his bird rights. At least we would take our shot at getting some kind of inside help!" Rocket!!!, How much space do we have left?
Thanks Cat. 1 Million...LOL...that'll get him Guess, it would have to be an S&T and I don't know what we have that they would want or we'd want to give them for Marc.
Clearly GS would match, but it sends a message to all the complainers on the BBS. Jackson clearly is not the answer for us, but neither is White. What the answer is at this point, I have no idea. Deep down in my gut I have this feeling that only someone like Curry will get us what we need.
The Rockets must not have much interest in Jackson if they decided not to pursue him even after Seattle signed Booth and Indiana dropped out of the race...I wish they had gone after Marc, but I'd rather trade for Jahidi White anyways.
Man people sure are moody in here. I'm not sure the Rockets have serious interest in Marc Jackson even still, and they might be pursuing other deals, but assuming Marc Jackson becomes an interest again, how much of the Rockets trade exception do they have left if any? I heard someone say that the Warriors were worried about having to many players to put on roster, and I'm not sure if they're serious enough to give up Marc Jackson for cap space, that might be asking to much. But it still is interesting. I think the Rockets will probably have another deal in place.
originally posted by Rocket!!! ______________________________ Jackson clearly is not the answer for us, but neither is White. What the answer is at this point, I have no idea. ______________________________ The answer is clearly Cato...wait...what was the question??
I cant believe no one is offering him serious jack! I mean Todd and freakin Calvin Booth are getting what $34 million!!!! I rather have Jackson over both of them anyday!
I wish the Rockets would try to go after him, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. Somebody will eventually sign him. It may not be until the beginning of training camp, though.
The Cat, I know we can't get Jackson without dumping some salary, but what do you think about moving him to the PF position? If a team had an adequate center, then Jackson could bring some serious offense & rebounding to the team. At 6'10" & 270lbs., he'd be quite a handful at the PF position. What's his shooting range & how quick is he? I like KT, but it'd sure be nice to have Jackson backing up MO, instead of KT. What do you think? As far as our cap situation goes, we have about $1.3 mill available before we resign Moochie. If we do the deal with Washington of Jahidi for Walt, we'd get an additional $600,000. If we then can convince Chicago to take Cato/Drew obligation for Miller(Yes, I'm dreaming), we'd get another $1.0 mill, for an approximate total of $2.9 mill to offer Jackson. I've read somewhere that GSW might not match the offer if it's too high. We might have to send KT somewhere, without taking any salary back. That would give us a total of $3.85 mill to offer Jackson. Would you do this deal if you could? Better yet, would you move Jackson to the PF position?
Reading Hottoddie's suggestion, and thinking about the situation, I'm reminded of the situation when we acquired Mo. He waited all summer for a high bidder, and when none came he signed for the best available contract with a team he thought he might like playing for. IMHO, CD/Rudy might just be waiting to see what happens. Jackson has less than a year under his belt, and no one is exactly jumping at signing him, so time is on their side. They might be waiting to see what happens with White, with Jackson as an alternative if someone else grabs him. I am by no means any good at understanding the logic behind player movement. But it seems that the longer Jackson goes unsigned, the lower the contract he can be signed to (like Mo). I think that's why no one is racing to sign him, even though he clearly has skills. I'm of the mind that OP is correct, that Marc Jackson is not on the radar, but that things will happen fast when the BYC timetable expires... I don't expect any more major movement by the Rockets until then. I wouldn't even be surprised if we wait until then to sign Moochie. But I do expect something to go down then... This offseason is taking waayy too long...
I think Marc will sign with Houston for 1 mill/ 1 year. He sees that no one wants him and so he bails out and goes for a mill a year to prove he is good. If he turns out to be good, Rockets can sign him to a multi year deal.
White is more of an answer at the 5 spot than Jackson is. White is young and a proven hustler on offense and defense while Jackson is unproven, a liability on defense(like we don't have enough of those already), is entering his peak years(which could be a plus if he consistently performs like last season) and more importantly, a big risk. I'll take White over Jackson.
RocketsPimp: Why wouldn't Jackson be a good alternative if we can't get White? Just because White for Walt works does not mean it is a done deal. We're also not the only team out there that is reportedly pursuing him (I know the Knicks are, among others). There is no guarantee that we get him. And if we can't get White, then why wouldn't Jackson be a good alternative? He'd be great at a lowball price, and if there are no other takers (which there don't seem to be), why not try to get him for one? I see a lot of parrallels in that situation to the Mo situation. Originally, he was interested in the Rockets, but was waiting for Seattle to show him the money. He waited all summer for them to show them the money, but they never did. They got Ewing instead. Also, he could have stayed with the Clips for more $, but who the hell wants to do that (at the time)? We had doubts about his abilities at the time, and we waited until we could lowball him and give him a chance (wink-wink) to prove himself... Staying with GS now is comparable to staying with the Clips then. No one is biting his offer. And he wants to play here. Why not consider him as a viable alternative should White not pan out (I agree now that he should be first on the list)? He doesn't want to stay with GS, and he has publicly stated that he'd love to be here. Why wouldn't he accept a small 1-yr contract under those circumstances, and what would we really have to lose?
Treeman, The only problem, is that GSW can match any offer up to the $4.5 mill mid-level exception(Jackson's a restricted FA). That's why I believe that a team would have to offer him at least $3 mill+ per year & hope that GSW wouldn't match it. They would be real stupid to not match a $1.0 mill offer from another team. As I stated in another thread, Jackson would be better served, to sign a one year contract with GSW, go out & prove that last year was no fluke, & then go back into the FA market next year as an unrestricted FA. If he puts up the same or better numbers next year, then he could probably get a deal in the range of $5-7 mill per year. As far as the White trade, OP seems pretty sure that it's going to happen. He's also indicated that the Rockets are no longer interested in Jackson(at least publicly, anyway). However, I do like your idea that they could be just waiting him out. The main point of my original post, was to find out if The Cat thought Jackson could be moved to the PF position, since just about everyone seems to think he's too short to play the center position.
He'd have to become a little faster to be a PF. I'm not too sure about the Warriors. Maybe if they traded Dampier or Foyle for a guard or SF? They're too loaded at C.
