Mandela throws out the race card, site erroneous fact

Too bad Mandela hates us now. If not for us he would still be in prison and SA would still be under apartheid.
Also, the UN doesn't suck because Kofi Annan is its leader, it sucks all on its own.

 

thats pretty sad coming from mandela. i thought he was above that sort of commentary. the comments he made are just silly and absurd. he doesn't even make one rational argument against war.

 

Mandaela is like the Uncle in Peter Pan, he lost his marbles a few years ago.

The fact that people still hold up this man as any kind of leader is pathetic.

He is irrelevant.

DD

 

This is old news. He has eloquently made his case before, even if it isn't pretty to our ears. He's said his bit repeatedly over the last year, and you can find entire, uncut speeches if you want to be fair to him.

If you don't want to be fair to him, then go ahead and believe that CNN has your balanced understanding of the world near and dear to its shallow heart.

In any case, even if you think he's senile, he is definitely deserving of respect, if any human alive can be deserving.

 

i know he deserves respect, but he loses credibility fast when he makes absurd statements like this. and this case he made above isn't too eloquent it is just melodramatic and wrong.

 

I won't bother with the rest of it, but I have to wonder a bit about the reporter. Does a percentage share of oil production necessarily equal the percentage share of oil exports? Couldn't it be they produce a bunch of oil but don't export much of it (because of, say, a trade embargo or some such thing)?

 

How does one cite an erroneous fact?

 

robbie, part of my point was you are trusting a CNN reporter (or the hack reporter than the CNN hack is stealing material from) to pick out a few sentences that perfectly represent a whole speech. I don't agree with those statements, personally, but I also know CNN is pathetic, and I also know when I read an entire speech of Mandela's on the issue, that I still don't agree, but I said "wow, I get the point of view. We've been pretty damned violent when you add it up."

 

Wasn't he also emphasizing that we are the biggest threat to world peace, not Iraq? If I recall, I saw video on that and found that quite unnacceptable. (Pls, no one bother to post the un-scientific online Euro-Time poll. If you have a similar, valid poll from before Mandela's earlier comments, fine, go ahead.)

Mandela also mentioned that he feels Cheney wanted him to stay in prison. I don't know whether it's true, but I don't think he'd be inclined to be to enamored of our present Administration.

I just don't get the Annan remark.

 

Okay, Cohen, you find the first comment unacceptable. Okay, I find lots of things unacceptable.

Finding a pathetic, dirt-poor country with few resources and a ruthless dictator less dangerous than the most powerful nation in the world when it's feeling wounded, scared, and bellicose will always make sense to a lot of reasonable people who don't live in the US of A. It doesn't have to make sense to us, but why just pile on anyone who feels differently?

If somebody, anybody, would listen to his entire commentary instead of buying into the CNN (and OH! HEADLINE NEWSFLASH: they have a bias) reporting, I would not be so annoyed.

edit: by the way, I think the Annan comment, by itself or in context, is pretty lame and useless. But of course, CNN decides to give you that one, don't they? So you think it's his overriding point now, right? That's not fair to the man, but whatever... let the crucifiction continue.

 

From a Reuters article.

I can't respect Mandela anymore. He sounds like those guys saying that picking wide receivers in the first round is a waste because previous years' drafts had sucky wide receivers. If that makes any sense to anyone.

 

Unfortunately, the same mentality prevailed among many Americans toward Martin Luther King when he spoke out against the Vietnam War.

It is interesting to see that the same crowd who supports Dubya through an almost endless string of misstated facts wants to jump on Mandela for a mistaked fact.

Let's face it the Pope, Mandela, Sean Penn, or whoever tries to speak out against this war will receive the same treatment.

 

Mandella was a terrorist, that is why he went to prison. He was a criminal.

It is like having Don King as a political leader....you like what they say sometimes, but you know his history taints his credibility.

The more crap I read from around the world about ungrateful nations, the more I think Unilateral actions are not so bad.

DD

 

i cannot believe i just read this, i am astounded, i suppose Steven Biko deserved what he got to, and the same for the Hurricane.

My dad was banned from South Africa for some things he wrote about them in a book, so i suppose they were right in the views on oppressive government and he was wrong.

this makes me seriously very sad Dak.

 

Agreed, but I wouldn't lump Ruben Carter (what, no Mumia?) in with Biko & Mandela.

 

unbelievable.

Smeggy, that is why you have to put him on your Ignore List; I'm telling you. I wish people would stop quoting him, because that quote should not even be read.

embarrassing

 

http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/rivonia.html

 

Who's pathetic, dirt poor with few resources? Are we discussing the same thing?

And I have heard/read non-CNN reports, non-US reports on Mandela's comments, FWIW.