http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2001/06/07/international2220EDT0865.DTL Clearly, the only response should be to ban knives. Short of a complete ban on knives, perhaps we should register all knife owners, to make sure they know how to use the knives properly. We also should institute a 5 day waiting period for knife purchases, so we can check into the backgrounds of all potential knife owners. Remember, people don't kill people- knives kill people. ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
Yes, go find more people that were killed with knives and use their deaths to promote gun use. ------------------ http://www.democrats.com mgh 1924-2001
Damn, people will sink to no low. The guy that did this isn't nice either. But since we're debasing ourselves to talk politics while 5 girls' lives hang in the balance, I might make a point too: Luckily with Reagan selling the US to the Japanese in the 80s, Japan is a rich enough country to afford the best medical health care. Here's to the speedy recovery of the 5 critically injured girls. ------------------ girl you looks good won't you mock that draft up?!
Achebe, Give me a break. What comes up after any sort of shooting incident? The welfare of the victim or his/her family? No, gun control that's what, so get real. ------------------------ I do hope the victims who can survive do. My prayers are with them. ------------------ DREAMer's Rocket Page
True DREAMer. I'd edit my poooooor taste of humor, but I may as well leave it up as an attempt at self-scorn. ------------------ girl you looks good won't you mock that draft up?!
Achebe, After rereading my reply, I felt that it gave off the "Go to Hell" type of sentiment. What I was shooting for was more along the lines of "Give me a break". ------------------ DREAMer's Rocket Page
So much for America being the ones with the mass murders. It looks like America has once again started a new fashion. But I think this does prove a point. People are going to kill, regardless of the weapon. ------------------ "Bada Bing!"
Of course people are going to kill, regardless of the weapon. However, if they can kill faster and more easily, they will probably kill more. Give the guy above a submachine gun, and more people are probably dead. Give the Columbine kids knives, and fewer people are probably dead. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Two Points: 1) The saying, "The devil you know might be better than the devil you do not know". What happens if we take up all the guns? Granted I know killings will not happen as often, but people are still going to kill...and I don't think knives will be the ideal option. If you reach the point where you are going to kill unarmed (not always innocent)people, you are going to be fill with much hatred. If I was filled with that much hatred towards a person or a group of people, what would I use to kill someone if a gun wasn't an option? Bombs .. far more deadlier than any gun. With the internet providing a 101 ways to make every possible bomb, this threat is becoming more scary every day! Not to mention it lists how to get the material! No, im not suggesting handing out guns to everyone so they won't go build bombs, just think about your "cause and effect" ... which brings me to my second point ... 2) PREVENT the problem instead of trying to fix it!! ------------------ "Bada Bing!"
Give the Columbine kids knives, and fewer people are probably dead. At what point do we dismiss it as an "acceptable loss"? 14 people died at Columbine, right? And that's too many, because they were shot to death. What if those two monsters had knifed to death 10 people? Is that OK? Do we then say, "Whew, we were lucky it wasn't 14"...? What if four were knifed to death? What if one person was stabbed and killed? Maybe we ought to worry more about why the killers killed than how they went about doing it.
BrianKagy: Nobody's saying that any deaths are acceptable. But any reductions in casualties would be a blessing. Do you really want to argue that knives are as effective at killing as guns? If so, then why do you want guns? Sort of a catch-22, in my opinion: if knives are so dangerous as to justify the existence of guns, then aren't guns simply a redundancy? I think the NRA's behavior contradicts this assertion. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited June 08, 2001).]
If I was filled with that much hatred towards a person or a group of people, what would I use to kill someone if a gun wasn't an option? Bombs .. far more deadlier than any gun. So, I was trying to think of something funny to say in regards to this excerpt, but everything was either stupid or sounded as if I was being mean. Just know that I wanted to make a light-hearted joke. ------------------ "You sanctimonious philistines, who scoff at me!"
Rimbaud: And we do appreciate your attempts to relieve the tension with humor! ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
It's always comforting to find that people can use tragedy to further their own personal agenda. It might behoove you to at least show a little compassion for the victims before the glee and sarcasm kick in. Let's assume for a second knives are as effective a killing machine as guns. Further assume that gun control doesn't prevent someone who wants to go on a killing spree from doing so - he could use a knife, a meat tenderizer, his bare fists, or look at Space Ghost's website to find the best way of making bombs. I would refute all of the above. But assuming they are correct, let me ask you this: how many people were accidentally knifed to death in the past year? 5 years? Because there are plenty of people, especially children, who die every year due to accidental gunshot wounds. ------------------ Bingbong was set up, led to an untimely death in the prime of his life for no other reason than pure malice. Things like that do not go unavenged. Sometimes it spills out onto the field of play.
wow..guess it all depends on perspective. I was thinking what a shame it was that Japan's tough gun laws prevented even the slightest chance of someone shooting this guy before he was able to get to the children with a knife. ------------------
MadMax: I actually agree with you here. I think that police at schools should have guns. Wait... you didn't mean the teachers, do you? I'm decidedly not in favor of allowing teachers to have guns. ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
haven -- it's sort of a hindsight thing. In hindsight, I wish to God that one of the teachers in Columbine had a little pistol in her purse. On the other hand, I'm not sure if I trust my kid going to a school where his teacher is packing heat!! The ban of firearms on campuses is probably necessary..though I do agree that the police there should be carrying. I really meant just anyone...there was really no possible chance, in Japan, that someone could have taken this guy out. That sucks. ------------------
Being a strict constitutionalist, our “right to bear arms shall not be infringed”. If everyone had their own nuclear arms, as the 2nd amendment guarantees our right too (it does not say “guns” it says “arms”), we could swiftly and decisively respond in eliminating criminals. Never mind the collateral damage, including incinerating ourselves, <i/> we'd get the criminals [/i]. A right is a right is a right. [This message has been edited by Desert Scar (edited June 08, 2001).]
A right is a right is a right... except when only one judge in Texas actually believes the Second Amendment guarantees an INDIVIDUAL right to bear arms. The 2nd Amendment has been interpreted to mean states have the right to field militias. I know you were being sarcastic, but I just wanted to put that out there . ------------------ A few years back on the Senate floor... Phil Gramm: "If Democrats could, they'd tax the air we breathe." Ted Kennedy (jumping up): "By God, why didn't I think of that sooner!" Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001
