I don't have the time to check if this is already posted or being discussed so if there is already a thread on this please combine. This came across my newsfeed and as a martial artist who has taught and done the very technique shown in the video this is disturbing. I'm first going to from what little I've seen I can't say whether the person who did this should even be charged without much more info but If he was really holding him in the choke for 15 minutes that would be past the point of lethality. In most cases this choke put on properly the person would pass out under 30 seconds. The way this technique works is that blood flow is interupted to the brain causing unconsciousness. In Judo and Jujitsu either the person taps out or they pass out and the choke is released. At that point blood flow is restored to the brain generally not resulting in any damage. Continuing the choke on for several minutes would be very dangerous. Also depending on how this choke is applied could possibly injure the trachea that could result in death. What's hard to determine from the video is when did the choke actually start as he could've been attempting to apply the choke for several minutes without it fully being applied. In the video it does appear that the person in the choke is already unconscious and the choke is still applied but how long into it can't tell. Just from the video I can't say whether the technique was justified to begin with and what level of a threat the person put in it was but it seems like at least an investigation should be conducted.
I bet he wouldn't have wanted to be in that pine box now. I need more info but I can understand so far why he hasn't been charged.
As an non american, I just don't understand the level of violence americans seem to love so much. From my understanding of the incident, there was more than one man holding the guy down, why the **** do you need to choke hold him? I am just disgusted by these ****en half assed jujitsu/MMA enthusiasts, seriously there are so many more holds that can be done other than a choke hold, especially if there are 3 grown ass man trying to hold down one person who by the pictures don't seem to be too strong/big. Like the shootings recently, why does a simple situation have to become deadly? even if a situation is escalated, does it really have to be deadly? can someone please explain to me....i just find this incident, an unarmed man, really some screaming and insults I guess is not a real life threatening situation where you have to put someone is a chokehold for 15 minutes.
Jordan Neely: Man dies after being put in a chokehold by another rider on New York City subway, officials say. The DA is investigating | CNN Medical examiner ruled it a homicide, which is to be expected. The man doesn't appear to have specifically threatened anyone or done anything aggressive to anyone. I don't think it looks good for the ex-marine. Sounds like Neely was ranting and talking about being ready to go to prison, but that isn't enough (IMO) to make him an imminent threat which would allow force to be used against him.
We have elevated levels of violence (in comp to our peers) because of societal dysfunction, not because we love it?
Don't forget aoc voted agaisnt the infrastructure bill and talked bad about the IRA which would provide substantial benefit to nyc that she whines about. Politicians like aoc are the absolute worst and represent everything wrong with politics. Loud mouth cosplay socialists like aoc are a joke as well.
maybe i used the wrong wording sorry, not love i guess.....but with stand your ground laws and incredibly loose gun control, this level of violence is kind of expected. In nz we do have self defense laws, but that is actually when someone physically threatens you or your loved one. de-escalation is first choice and promoted by the cops. 'stand your ground' , this kind of wording IMO kind of promotes confrontations don't you think? I don't understand how the government/politicians aren't actively working towards reducing violent crimes or violence as a whole. Its starts with education and culture. I feel that humans by nature are violent animals, constraints (eg law, moral ethics etc) is what restrains us from lashing out every time something don't go according to our perception, and I don't seem to understand how this is tolerated and governments aren't pushing for changes. innocent people (well in this case may not be 100% innocent, but definitely not deserving of choked to death) are being put into situations where escalated violence is almost inevitable. And in terms of you saying compared to your peers, I have travelled to over 30 countries around the world for work, rural and slums included, I feel that americans are more violence than most, not just the developed world. I have travelled to the Philippines, India, thailand, which are pretty backwards except for a few major cities, and they don't have that level of violence.
Neely is a victim and failure of American society in general. And those same people mostly responsible for the policies that create tragic stories like Neely are the ones that also have zero sympathy for his death.
In 2016 a "good Samaritan" put a dude in a choke hold in LA https://abc7chicago.com/culver-city...zmarek-man-saves-passengers-on-video/1258916/ The homeless man that was killed has been arrested 42 times with 4 for assault. This forum has now ruled that character is a huge issue so that means hes guilty. Really don't understand why they keep calling the choke guy a marine. Does that mean he's some trained killer with no self control?
Nah - there is an element of America liking or condoning some degree of violence, it comes with the emphasis on individualism.
15 minutes is insane, at that point its not self defense needs arrest. But its not as simple as that, subway riders were legit fearful of their lives it looks like. In the age of mass shootings idk AOC has no shame
Stand your ground is just a renunciation of duty to retreat. It doesn't promote confrontation any more than the term self-defense does. There is a strong push against working toward reducing crime of all sorts, including violent crime. It varies widely by jurisdiction. The homicide rate in the Philippines is more than double that of the United States. List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
Not to come off as captain defend America or anything but that's a pretty ignorant assumption. We are the most violent among our peers of wealthy developed countries for sure, and yes there are many poorer countries with lower crime rates, but as an example Homicide statistics are usually the standard for doing international comparisons for crime, strictly because it's the single crime you can expect most countries to have reports on with decent consistency. New Zealand over the decade of 2010-2020 had a median homicide rate of roughly 1 per 100k, and the USA had around 5 per 100k, that's a 5x multiple in difference, an insane difference no doubt, but at the same time, countries like Jamaica El Salvador Venezuela Honduras South Africa Mexico Myanmar Belize Colombia Brazil All exist and have had murder rates per 100k around 5x (some of them well over) of what the US averages, and therefore 25x of what New Zealand averages. The USA isn't close to being amongst the most violent countries in the world. I definitely think there's something in the culture, from that list above you can see the top of homicide lists are absolutely dominated by the Americas, the Americas have the highest homicide rate of any region in the world, 5x+ that of Asia, Europe, and Oceania, the only other region that comes within a mile is Africa. If we're addressing violence as crime and murder (and not liking TV shows, boxing and MMA), I really don't know anybody people who "loves violence", save for maybe the b**** persona Tinny puts on in this sub, it seems like a societal dysfunction, not a love.
Not sure if I am reading it wrong or what....but according to your source Philippines homicide rate is 4.4, while USA is 6.5, thats close to 50% more than a 3rd world country. not sure if you have been to the philippines or not, outside of the few major cities, its pretty much a **** hole, slums everywhere. In NZ self defense laws are only applicable if you have no means of avoiding/retreating from the confrontation. really a bit different from 'standing your ground' right? what i don't understand, even during my time working in Illinois was that the strong push is not really working on any measure, violent crime rates are growing, not declining, so that push really is just all talk and not much results
