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Malone vs. Olajuwon

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Mar 9, 2000.

  1. DaDakota

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    First let me preface this by saying that I think Hakeem is the best player EVER to play for the Rockets.

    However, it is hard for me to watch Hakeem give so little effort night in and night out.

    It is clear to me that Olajuwon is satisfied with his career, and no longer is willing to lay it on the line for the team. I think this has been the case for the last 2 or 3 years.

    As much as I HATE Karl Malone, I have to say that he still plays with passion, fire and desire every single night.

    If Hakeem gave this much effort, he would still be scoring 20pts and getting 10 rebounds.

    Maybe the reason that Karl hustles and Hakeem doesn't is that Hakeem already has his ring, he has been to the pinnacle and no longer feels the need to compete.

    It pains me to watch him, and I think it is just time to go. Hakeem you were special, but your desire has left the building.

    DaDakota

    PS. NEVER...I repeat NEVER did MJ fail to put out total effort, this is hurting Hakeem's legacy.
     
  2. BobFinn*

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    Larry legend had aches and pains through out his career, but when it became impossible for him to perform at the highest level, he got out. Some guys hang around just because they have nothing better to do, (Jabbar,Parrish). I hope Dream doesn't fall into this category. I am beginning to wonder.

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  3. DaneB

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    It has nothing to do with him giving less effort. His time is just getting decreased because Rudy's wants to make sure that Hakeem has enough left in his tank for him to finish the game. However, in order for Hakeem to be effective, he has to get the shots and he has to play much more than he has. I heard that he also stopped taking his asthma medication, and this might why he didn't do much tonight. Hakeem even said in the Chronicle that I may take up to a month for this medication to cure him 100%. I'm sure if he stays on his medies and his time is increased, so will his overall game.
     
  4. Dreamshake

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    Ok I was going to start a thread on Hakeem not being worth it anymore.

    Not because he sux, or because he's old.
    Not because I don't believe in loyalty.

    But if all Hakeem can do is give the Rox 15 minutes a night and eat up 15 million in cap room....its time to hang them up.


    Never, ever, ever, ever would i even be able to dream of the day that Oldman Polybrick would outplay Hakeem.
     
  5. Caveman

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    I just want to say Rudy WOULD have never won a ring without Hakeem. With that said, Hakeem has shown to me that he is ready to go, if some nice deal can be worked out between him and Rockets, so he can get most of his 16 mil and leave early. It is funny that I remember on this site was crying Pippen being over paid with 14 mil to his 14.5 ppg. Hakeem may be worth 1 mil per playing minute.
     
  6. JuanValdez

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    How many of these Olajuwon Should Retire threads do we have to start each day? I think everyone's position has been well-documented already. Clutch, maybe you should make an Olajuwon Should Retire Forum so these threads will stop cluttering this one.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Juan,

    Maybe you would like a little CHEESE to go with your whine.

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    DaDakota
     
  8. CriscoKidd

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    While what Hutz says may be true, that Hakeem is too old and hes starting to smell, I dont want him to retire. His legacy will never be scarred. period.

    (CHORUS)And the Hakeem right now is better than half of the centers in the league.

    So what if hes not as good as he used to be? Who do u want to pick up to replace him? Osterassfag? OldmanassSucks? FatassCountry? InvisibleassSeikaly? FatassHamilton2sangwiches? RimmyMuresannoactingMygiantass?

    Go ahead and try to look for someone, but I assure you, the names only get longer and the asses only get bigger.

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  9. mantronix

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    DaDakota, You are deadwrong about Hakeem not giving a total effort, Where have you been. You are also wrong about him not giving an effort the last 2 to 3 years you are so off when you say that. Do you realize the guy has had surgery and he is having trouble breathing. Why would you write such a senseless thing like that about Dream. Dont you realize what happens when you cant breath you cant be effective any way sports wise. I myself have always had trouble breathing and in the last few months it has gotten really bad and I play basketball. I have never played worse in my life because of my breathing problems!
    For you to start comparing Karla Elbone who I have no respect for to Hakeem has no merit.
    P.S Hakeem never got the same special treatment M.J. received in his pampered career.
     
  10. DaDakota

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    Mantronix,

    I call em as I see em. Hakeem has not been putting full effort in for a couple of years.

    I acknowledge his breathing problems, and I understand he is coming off of surgery. I am talking more about desire, he no longer plays with passion and fire.

    I think his skills have eroded, but not to the level that he shows them now. It is his overall will to win that is suffering, and IMHO his lack of being the MAN anymore.

    He is a proud man, and I am sure he can see the writing on the wall, and he does not like what it says.

    DaDakota
     
  11. Almu

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    One sure way to get Mantronix to respond to a thread is to say something good about MJ. Never fails. I believe Mantronix thinks MJ is the Anti-Christ. He hates the man for being so good.

    As for Malone and Dream, I agree that Dream is just happy about his spot. Look at Ewing and how he is busting his ass now that he knows he is about to go out without a ring. Look at how much Charles showed desire when playing. He didn't have a ring also. And Malone is the same. Dirty and floppy. But he wants the ring.

    You can just see it in Dream. It pains me to see it also. I would never let not even a whisper of what others are saying about him reach my ears if I was Dream.

    And you want to know something else? I hurts more because I think honestly, the man can still get 20pts and 10 rebs. Old is not old like it use to be. He has the experience now and can use it to his advantage. Malone does. (FOR MANTRONIX)Jordan did when he couldn't jump anymore like he use to. Barkley compensated. And Ewing also.

    Damn, I hope he can have a 30point 12 rebound last season. But I guess it won't happen.

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    Don't count that out yet. We all know Hakeem can do it, its just a matter of him putting forth the effort and not letting anything stand in his way. Back in 92 when Hakeem renewed his Islamic faith, he gained peace with himself but he lost the roughness and power that he showed and replaced that with even more speed and finesse. I wish he had kept both Hakeems and packed them into one. I am sure he would have dominated the league much more than he did (which was a lot) and he would still be playin the same way because that edge will keep you in the game.
     
  13. mantronix

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    Dadakota, For you to say that you understand Olajuwon's breathing problems and surgery and to still say he is not giving a full effort makes no sense. What facts do you have that back up your post that Olajuwon is not giving it his all. It is a lack of respect you are showing to Hakeem and his fans. It is just a case of what have done for me lately. Dadakota when you compare Hakeem to your man Elbone you forget to mention over Hakeems career he has had 10 times more injuries than Elbone, Maybe those injuries are taking their toll on him in the later stages of his career. But instead of understanding the facts that injuries do effect players differently you choose to insult and degrade Hakeem by questioning his will. This thread is a joke and to question Hakeem is a joke. Anyone who questions Hakeems drive is just a part time fan and not a supporter of Dream.

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  14. mantronix

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    Good post Almu best bet is to stick to writing posts about Jordan and the Bulls cause that is all you know about.
     
  15. Almu

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    Mantronix,

    You and Caveman are the same person.

    Now, repeat after me:

    Hatred is bad, uuummmkay?
    Jealousy is bad, uuummmkay?

    I just want to also say...nah, never mind. It doesn't pay to lower myself to your 4th grade level.

    You are right, Mantronix. I love Jordan. Jordan is my father.



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  16. DaDakota

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    Mantronix,

    I concede that Hakeem has had injuries, but he still DOES NOT put out full effort. He has not played in the regular season for the last 3 years.

    He coasts through and then tries to turn it up for the playoffs.

    I am not downgrading HAKEEM, I said he is the best Rocket ever, what I am saying is that he no longer plays with PASSION.

    As for being a fan, I have been following these Rockets ever since 1972, and I call a spade a spade.

    Hakeem does not play up to his capabilities, and if you compare injuries...EWING is coming off of a much more serious injury then Dream, but he is putting out the effort and is an older player.

    Hakeem has no motivation, he does not have a leave it all on the court attitude. He was special, but he is now content, and it is painful to watch.

    DaDakota
     
  17. mantronix

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    DaDakota, How can Hakeem put out a full effort this season when he is having breathing problems. It is not possible to play on a high level when you lack the stamina. What you are seeing is a player who has minimal ventilation and is 1 month off surgery. Your wrong about Hakeem he is hurt. Your taking your frustrations out on him because of this terrible year we are going thru.
     
  18. DaDakota

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    Mantornix,

    Ok, take your example of Hakeem having trouble breathing, let's assume you are right...( I don't agree however).

    How do you explain Hakeem not putting out full effort the last 2 years when he was relatively healthy?

    Simple, Hakeem does not have the WILL to win anymore...the heart of a champion has died out.

    Sad but true.

    DaDakota
     
  19. Almu

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    By the way, I agree with DaDakota.

    Dream has about 90 percent of his skills left and if he was to just put out a little more effort, I truly believe he can produce big numbers at his age.

    Lets be real here. His age(37) is not old anymore. This is the 21st century. You can clearly see that he can still crank it up when he wants. It has nothing to do with injuries because Ewing just came back from a torn achillies tendon, torn ligament in his wrist and on top of that he is older than Dream.

    Dream clearly is happy with his spot in history. But I tell you what. Many historians are going to remember what Dream looks like now and weigh that into the mix when they talk about the 10 top greats of all time. In my mind, Dream is really starting to tarnish that image of invincibility he worked hard to attain.
     
  20. mantronix

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    Wrong again Almu injuries and breathing problems is why Dream is playing bad. That's why he was having trouble breathing the first 2 minutes of the game and Rudy rested him. Is that lack of desire is that not giving full effort. Sometimes people can be flat out ignorant until injuries happen to them then their quick to say yea I know how he feels. I do know Hakeem feels.
     

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