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[MagicBasketball] Dwight Howard's Post Game

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by durvasa, May 19, 2010.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Member

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    For people that insist Dwight Howard doesn't have a post game, here is some evidence to the contrary.

    http://www.magicbasketball.net/2010/05/19/video-analysis-dwight-howards-low-post-game-and-dunks/


    According to SynergySports' tracking of post-ups for all NBA players, Howard's post up game is about as efficient as Al Jefferson's or LeMarcus Aldridge's this past season. Moreover, the chart shows steady improvement in both the frequency of his post-ups and his efficiency on them since his rookie year. He's still not at Tim Duncan's level (or even Zach Randolph's), but he isn't bad either.
     
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  2. Francis 4 ever

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    I don't think the frequent complaint is that he doesn't have "post game". It is generally that he doesn't have post moves.

    His post presence is mostly shoulder down shoving and offensive rebounds. When apt defenders play physical he disappears.
     
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  3. bongo33

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    Last night he did pretty well on his post game
     
  4. tehG l i d e

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    He doesn't have good body movement in the post. I don't think he'll ever develop the IQ for it.
     
  5. chenjy9

    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    D12's post game is about as varied and complex as Shaq's. He puts his should down and bumps to create separation and then, using his athleticism, rises up before you can recover and dunks. He also sometimes does a quick spin and dunks like Shaq or goes for a simple hook. If you push him about 6-7ft out away from the rim, it is like watching a fish flop around. As far as FT goes, incredibly enough he did OK last night.
     
  6. Zboy

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    Comparison to Shaq is not correct. In his prime Shaq had power moves, drop step, up and under, and also jump hooks from the baseline as well as the middle of the lane. Dwight does not have Shaq's repertoire on offense.

    It is doubtful that Dwight will ever develop into a player where you can consistently go to him in the post near the end of the game and get good results. He still doesn't have good shooting touch on his moves and I am not sure he ever will. Also, his poor free throw % will always be crippling.

    He is an excellent finisher off of plays made by others. Forcing him to create for others will work in favor of opposing teams with good defense.

    BTW, Aldridge is not a post player. He is more of a jump shooter so not a very good example for post game.

    Post game by big men is damn near dead in today's league.

    The player with the best post game today is a softy, Paul Gasol.

    Go figure.
     
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  7. flamingdts

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    Dwight is not an offensive player. He will obtain Mutombo-est stat lines and become one of the best defense big man ever seen, but he will not be a good offensive player.

    People mould Dwight into what he is not capable of. Dwight will probably have a career average of 15ppg, and that is all that should be expected of him offensively.
     
  8. Entropy

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    Lets not pigeon-hole him yet. He has enough youth and time on his side to improve his offensive game dramatically. He'll probably never be the kind of offensive threats that Hakeem was and Yao is, though.
     
  9. luisantonio1014

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    We know he posts up a lot. It's just that his limited post moves are so ugly, and at times ineffective, which is why everyone says he has no post game. He usually goes for that one-two step away from the basket and throws up a contested hook shot.
     
  10. apollo33

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    most of his post moves requires him out powering the defender on the block.but when you have someone like perkins or yao defending him, dwight simply cant outpower them, and therefore throws up wild hooks or gets stolen
     
  11. durvasa

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    Whether his post moves are ugly isn't really the point. The numbers show that Howard's post game effectiveness has improved steadily, year by year, which serves as evidence against those who insist that Dwight's offense hasn't progressed at all and will never improve.

    Is he an elite post player? I don't think so. But he's still a guy the Magic look for in the post, and he's a guy that will attract double teams. Unless the Magic and their opponents are just plan idiotic, he must be a post threat.
     
  12. blink

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    a website dedicated to the orlando magic saying dwight's post game isnt complete trash? surprising.
     
  13. krmclaughlin

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    anyone know what yao's numbers were like?
     
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    I love when the first response in a thread just nails it... Plus rep.
     
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    Watching Dwight Howard get negated by Kendrick Perkins and Amare get befuddled by Pau/Odom/Bynum..it makes me realize how dominant Yao is when he's healthy. The Lakers kill everyone with their frontline, but Yao has regularly trumped Gasol and Bynum..not to mention Howard. A Yao/Bosh frontcourt pushes us past the Lakers.
     
  16. Al Calavicci

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    It's an Orlando Magic website, not a site dedicated to Dwight's post game. Any actual input or even criticism that has to do with the content rather than a generic and completely false statement about Dwight's post game being "complete trash"?

    Any statistical evidence? A video compilation to prove your argument? Anything other than you saying something like "ive watched enuff magic games to know"? No? Surprising.
     
  17. sbyang

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    The Celtics strategy this series is to guard Howard one on one and stay with the shooters. They play straight up D on Howard, no front, no soft double, an occasional hard double to mess with him. They're begging the magic to post him up instead of go screen roll.

    Can you imagine what kind of damage the great centers of yesteryear would do with this strategy? Forget about Shaq and Hakeem, David Robinson and our own Yao Ming would destroy teams that played this way. Portland tried to play this way against Yao and it lasted all of a quarter, it ended up costing them game 1 and the series.
     
  18. blink

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    i said it's a website dedicated to the orlando magic.... :eek: can't read? not surprising.

    my evidence is dwight's post game.... he has none. a running hook is all he's got and even that's worthless if you put a defender that can match his strength. can't infer the obvious from simply watching howard's game? not surprising.

    the 'statistical' analysis on that website is trash too... it says nothing about his post game... it just says he scores efficiently, it says nothing about how he does it.

    just got owned? not surprising
     
  19. durvasa

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    "How he does it" is in the post. SynergySports tracks post up plays, and those are the numbers they are providing.

    So when you say he has no post game, I'm afraid it is directly contradicted by the evidence.
     
  20. T.Mcgrady

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    What do you mean by "or even" Zach Randolph. Zbo is a monster in the post.. the problem with him in past years is that he decides to leave the post and jack 20 ft jumpers on a whim.
     

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