Magic looks like the team that will challenge the Lakers

I don't think the Magic have a chance at winning this year. And by the way, the people who compared Grant Hill to Michael Jordan were idiots. They do that with everyone, but that doesn't mean that Harold Miner could be the centerpiece of a championship team.

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if you replace mcgrady with stackhouse and you interchange the pistons scrubs with the orlando scrubs you get the same team...the orlando pistons...

i am sorry but darrel armstrong and bo outlaw are not going to put detroit excuse me i mean orlando over the top...

it is the same team as detroit minus a few changes here and there and the same results i am sure of it...everyone talks about this orlando team as the real force...

i think they will do no better than 42-40 as detroit did last year...

if anyone in the east i would take miami or maybe even nyc but i dont look to see orlando do anything more exciting than the pistons did last year..

the only wild card is the fact that the east completely sucks...

sorry to disagree with your first post but i just am not worried about orlando doing anything at all...

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WHAT?!

Sorry, but Darrell Armstron, and Bo Outlaw arent scrubs. And they both are better than any 5 players on the Pistons squad (minus Stackhouse)

Miami won 41 games last year. Without Hill (arguable the NBA's best all around player) and without Tracy McGrady.

How do you figure those two account for a combined one more win?

Its not like they had to give up any talent to get Hill or McGrady.


Id be shocked. Bamboozled, stupified. If the Magic won less than 50 games next year. If not 55 in the eastern conference.

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Dreamshake,

Please reread your post.


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LOL @ dreamshake.."Bamboozled" Hey looK! It's John! My fellow teammate in the Freshman basketball team at Spring Woods High! Howdy! Welcome!

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And they both are better than any 5 players on the Pistons squad (minus Stackhouse)


Hey now. Don't forget about Jerome. He's at least equal to, and probably a lot better than (IMO) Bo Outlaw.


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Damn!!! How the hell did I miss Miami getting Hill and McGrady?

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Dreamshake,

Sorry, if I had my choice of Jerome Williams or Bo Outlaw it would be JYD Williams for my money.

In fact, depending on the needs of a particular team Cedric Ceballos might be more desirable than Bo.

Doc Rivers did a masterful coaching/motivating job last year. 55 wins and he'll have to walk on water next season to top his first two.

In order to get to 50 wins, they're gonna have to improve upon 1-2 vs Indy, 0-2 vs Faker$, 1-3 vs Miami, 0-4 vs Bucks, 1-3 vs Knicks, 0-2 vs Suns, 0-2 vs Blazers.

In other words, they are gonnna have to beat MORE than just the .500 teams. And a a 14 game improvement would be some feat!


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Orlando's playoff success depends solely on how well McGrady lives up to his hype.

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Man, don't let the stats fool you. Just because a guy gets rebounds doesn't make him a defensive stud. Everything I've read about JYD names him as a defensive liability because of his light weight while Outlaw (plays SF predominantly) is renowned as one of the best defensive players. I'll admit I don't get to see both of them play often - maybe you guys do - but JYD gets a lot more respect around here than he does from other knowledgeable sources. I would take Bo Outlaw. Not to mention you don't find many players get both the steals and blocks that Bo does.

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I'm with Dreamshake, even if he doesn't have the team names right.

Dudes, they played .500 ball with nothing but scrubs. Nothing. You add Grant Hill alone, and that is major. Stop blurting out whatever it is about how he is overrated- it's frikkin Grant Hill. On top of that they add McGrady and Mike Miller. They lost nothing to get these guys, they signed and drafted them outright. Come on. They were a game out of the playoffs- now they've added some of the top forwards in the leauge and they're going to do nothing?

I don't think they're going to beat the Lakers, or Miami for that matter. But I wouldn't be surprised at all to see another 10-15 wins out of this club. That's the kind of offseason they've had.

 

on the Outlaw vs Williams thingey.

I think Williams is a better PF, but Outlaw is the better all around player.

Does that make any sense?

But outlaw is way cooler than those 2.

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It's for this reason I agree and disagree about the Magic. I think they'll be a 50 win team, because of the talent level they have. Darrell Armstrong, Mike Miller, Bo Outlaw, John Amaechi, Michael Doleac, etc. is a MUCH better supporting cast for the top two guys than Hill and Stack had in Detroit. But it's not as simple as saying you add Hill and McGrady to a .500 team. What made up that team was tremendous chemistry, desire, heart, and intangibles. In many ways, the heart of that team is gone, and they'll have to work to build that back. The team will have a very different state of mind/expectations this year that is totally different from last season, so last season's results with the core they had should not be used as a barometer.

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I agree with you Cat. I can see them possibly winning 50 games because of the talent they have, but I can also see them being just like Detroit and winding up with a 6-8 seed and being knocked out of the playoffs in the first round. Orlando STILL has an uphill battle.

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oops. Meant to say Orlando...


But how funny is it that many of you realisticly believe the Rox will make the playoffs and garner 45-50 wins. (Which is about what it will take in the west) by adding only Mo Taylor.

But the Magic were 10 games better than the Rox with no body by Armstrong and Outlaw last year. Added Hill, McGrady, and Miller and will have a tough time time adding 8 wins to their total in the even weaker (than last year. At least I believe) Eastern conference???



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Dreamshake,

This is exactly what I was trying to say. It's not as simple as looking at a piece of paper and seeing who added who to their team, and what record they had last year. There are a ton of other factors. For instance, Mo Taylor is not what will help the Rockets the most to make them different from last year. What will help the most is the growth of team chemistry and the growth in the individual games' of each player on our team, including our core guys of Steve, Cuttino, Mo, and Shandon. And with the Magic- you should not base last year's results as a barometer for what to expect from this year's version. That team won off of sheer heart, desire, and chemistry. In many ways, the heart of that team is gone. The expectations and style fo this year's team will be drastically different, so you it isn't fair to compare them to last season. On paper, it looks like the Rockets added Taylor to a 34 win team, and the Magic added Hill and McGrady to a 41 win team. It is not that simple. Not by a long shot. Hope you understand what I'm saying.

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Why is it unrealistic to say we will win 10-12 more games with the addition of Taylor?

A lot of our success depends on health, the rookies, and the development of last year's players. I hear that Steve and Cato have gotten better physically. You add Taylor, a proven player....Langhi and Collier too.

I don't think it is unrealistic at all. 10-12 games could have easily swung the Rockets' way last year without Taylor.

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Cat. I agree that chemistry is the issue. But to say the Magic let go of their chemistry to make room isnt correct. Outlaw, Amechi, Armstrong, and the great white center were their key players. All are due back. Adding Hill, and McGrady to any team isnt going to hurt anyones chances. Much less lead to less wins in a weak division that just got weaker short of Miami and themselves.

It might be a different story if Hill wasnt a selfish player. Or a great all around baller. Or if McGrady only put points on the board by jacking shots. Both are defensively sound, and as long as they are playing solid D, chemistry shouldnt be too much of an issue.

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