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Louisiana legislators advance bill classifying abortion as homicide

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  1. Reeko

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    Louisiana lawmakers have advanced a bill that would abolish abortion in the state, grant constitutional rights to "all unborn children from the moment of fertilization" and classify abortion as a homicide crime.

    The move on Wednesday came two days after a leaked draft ruling showed the U.S. Supreme Court poised to overturn the 1973 landmark Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide. The court's final ruling is expected in June.

    The Louisiana bill is one of a raft of proposals by lawmakers in conservative states to restrict access to abortion and a sign of Republicans feeling emboldened by the leaked draft opinion. Such restrictions could go further than the so-called trigger laws, bans and other regulations that will take effect in some 26 states should Roe be overturned.

    South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem, a Republican, this week said she would call for a special legislative session if Roe is overturned to limit abortion to the greatest extent possible. Lawmakers in Nebraska and Indiana also said their states should convene special sessions to consider limiting abortion rights.

    The conservative actions come as supporters of abortion rights are moving to expand and protect abortion access in more liberal states, including plans to ask voters in California and Vermont to enshrine abortion rights in their constitutions.

    Louisiana state Representative Danny McCormick, a Republican who introduced the "Abolition of Abortion Act" legislation in March, said the impending ruling from the nation's high court should not delay the state's efforts to ban abortion access.

    "We cannot wait on the Supreme Court," McCormick said in a hearing on Wednesday.

    The legislation, approved in a 7-2 committee vote, now moves to the state's full House of Representatives for consideration.

    The bill amends the state's existing homicide law and states its purpose is to "ensure the right to life and equal protection of the laws to all unborn children from the moment of fertilization by protecting them by the same laws protecting other human beings."

    It appears to permit the prosecution of anyone who has an abortion or performs an abortion on homicide charges, opponents of the bill said.

    "What this bill does is to specifically amend the crime of homicide and the crime of criminal battery to enable the state to charge people, including the pregnant person - the pregnant mother - at any stage of gestation," Ellie Schilling, a Louisiana lawyer who represents reproductive health care providers, said during Wednesday's committee hearing.

    The bill's text says the state should enforce the law "without regard to the opinions and judgments of the Supreme Court of the United States" on abortion, which Schilling said "would completely annihilate" the Supreme Court's overriding authority.

    ACLU of Louisiana advocacy director Chris Kaiser said the measure also would criminalize in vitro fertilization and various forms of birth control by defining a fertilized egg before implantation as a person. In a statement on Thursday, he called the bill "barbaric."

    Louisiana is one of 13 states with a trigger law that would allow the state to immediately ban abortion if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

    Brian Gunter, a Louisiana pastor who worked on the bill with McCormick, said in Wednesday's hearing that the trigger law was "woefully insufficient" to prevent abortions in the state because it didn't carry harsh enough criminal penalties for violations.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/lo...ill-classifying-abortion-homicide-2022-05-05/
     
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    These are the type of things that will have a political backlash and will affect races well outside of SD or LA.

    Discussion of using an overturning of Roe to go after Obergfell (same sex marriage) will be more GOP overreach that will not help them. This is why I feel that even though the GOP has big advantages going into the Midterms doesn't guarantee that it will be a Red Wave. As much as people point out that Democrats overreach and get into problems with things like "Defund the Police" the same can work for Republicans.
     
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    Better be careful about where I shoot my wads, can’t have old condoms taking me to court
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    If they truly criminalize in vitro fertilization, that would be the height of idiocy.

    The very people who go through the time and expense of in vitro are the people that really, really, really want a baby. That seems to be on the opposite end of the spectrum with respect to abortion.
     
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    The zealots on both sides are insane. Aborting a 37w fetus is crazy and should be criminal, but anything less than 8-10 wks is 100% a clump of cells working to make rudimentary organs. I hope republicans don’t push for crazy crap like this because all it will do is give us more bidens in office.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What state or entity is advocating aborting a nearly full term baby?
     
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    Actually glad the far right is looking at in vitro. As I've said, I'm fine with the practice and support it, but if anyone thinks life starts at conception, then they have to look at in vitro as a source of mass, institutionalized abortion. The zealots have been strangely inconsistent for a long time on that front, and I guess (?) it's because they just don't know how it works.

    More on the overall topic, I think people thought @SamFisher was exaggerating in some of his predictions, but it does look like state houses in red states will be trying to compete for "best" (sic) abortion bills. Like "oh yeah, but we outlawed ectopic pregnancy abortions and in cases of rape! Can you top that?" Ugly, ugly business. I honestly feel sorry for women in this country. They should just all embrace lesbianism and let all these dudes go for sex bots.
     
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    Aborting a 37 week fetus already isn't allowed isn't allowed unless the mother's life and health are in danger.
     
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    No laws are, fringe leftists are.
     
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    Until a state proposes something that ridiculous it's moot. Louisiana is actually advancing laws with radical verbiage. Hopefully it gets fixed in committees.
     
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    aborting 37 week babies? Does that really happen or a strawman hypothetical that people on the right just talk about? For me abortions should be illegal if the fetus/baby is viable outside the womb. For a normal baby, that's around 23 weeks with current technology. For a baby with health issues that may extend further. However 37 weeks is considered a normal pregnancy and the baby isn't even considered a preemie at that point
     
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    Yep, over 90% of abortions are before 15 weeks.

    Late term abortions under Roe were not protected.
     
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    @DaDakota
     
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    Maybe you are misrepresenting what people are saying? Are you referring to when a mother's life is threatened? Because that is the only situation I heard people advocate to allow late term abortions.
     
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    Doctors out here killing more then the crips and bloods combined
     
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    No, I’ll clarify, a small minority of people are ok with late term abortions electively. Their view is that it’s the mothers choice therefore it shouldn’t matter.

    I think the view that most ppl have of elective abortions early on is what I am in agreement with
     
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    Who is this small minority? What woman electively decides to change their mind that late in a pregnancy? In the exceedingly rare cases where a woman desires a late term abortion electively it probably has to do with state level laws that made them wait due to limited clinics cost, fear etc.

    Roe itself already sets a limit of 24 weeks for elective abortion. So anyone pissed about Roe being overturned can completely be pissed off without even discussing late term abortions electively as that federally ALREADY is illegal.

    Who worries about some onsies and twosies(you haven't even pointed towards a specific example) advocating for something when the people with the actual political clout are getting their extremist wishes(conservative extremists)?
     
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    @Os Trigonum

    LSU football team’s side chicks got to fly to Mexico now
     
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    I understand who crips and bloods are
    They are gangs
     
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    Lemme know when this small minority gets a bill passed. We see it on the other side.
     
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