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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basso, Apr 23, 2004.

  1. basso

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    Just as it has with Yao, the Rockets' coaching staff has made a fundamental error with Steve, trying to turn him into Mark Jackson and minimizing what he's always done best, score the basketball. While I applaud the effort to get Steve to share the ball, cut down on turnovers, and play defense, this has come at the expense of his offense and this team can't win unless Steve scores.

    The problem of course, is that Steve's scoring has often taken the Rockets out of their offense. In the fourth period of game one, Steve went one-on-one, barrelling to the basket with little regard for his teammates, or any realistic chance of making a shot. Sure, he got to the free-throw line, and he made a nice pass to set up JJ for the final shot, but the Rockets' offense ground to a halt and Yao hardly touched the ball.

    Contrast his performance with that of another legendary Rockets' gunner, Sam-I-Am in Minnesota. Cassell scored forty in game one, but within the flow of the offense. Sure, he was jacking up shots all over the place, but he also set up his teammates, and he and KG seemed totally in sync. Imagine him in a Rockets uniform again- brash, cocky, fearless, pushing Yao to succeed, setting him up for shots, and freeing him up by draining jumpers from all over the court. This is the type of player Steve could, and should be.

    Of course, Steve would have to shoot a higher percentage, but I believe his shooting has suffered from the pound-it-in-style of offense JVG advocates. Once again, a motion offense could solve this. So yes, by all means get Yao the damn ball, but for the Rockets to beat the Lakers, and progress next season, Steve must score.
     
  2. fa7999

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    I have to agree with you that running motion offense is the best way to utilize both Yao and SF3's scoring talents.

    We can also mix motion offense up with current throw-it-in-and-stand-watch style. I think that inside-out works great if zone defense is not allowed. I am not sure that Dream would have had that much success is zone D were legal at that time.
     
  3. basso

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    i think rudy made an effort to adjust his offense to his players' talents rather than force his players into a "system." I have to reiterate I like JVG as a coach, and think he's done wonders with the players' attitudes, defense, and getting Steve and Cat to share the ball, but I don't like his offense at all.
     
  4. Yetti

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    Just incase you havn't realised the only adjusting that JVG has attempted, is to do away with SELFISH Ball and try to get the Team to play Team Basketball and develop Team Chemistry. He hasn't been very successful as it will take a miracle to change our one on one players into Team Oriented Players. This reason and only this reason will motivate the Rockets Management to adjust the Team's Roster this upcoming Offseason.
     
  5. Glyyde

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    U can get the player to play according to a defense system.... but I believe offense system should be build around the players to make the best out of the players on court than to just fit the players into a set system regardless of the players ability.....
     
  6. Yetti

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    Then why did we draft Yao Ming, as Francis and Mobley are very good one on one players and were scoring over 20 points a game. The Rockets were very entertaining before we attempted this mix. Why bring in a Player that wouild change direction of the Team, I just loved having the three Guard line up and all the athletic plays.:p
     
  7. basso

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    let me emphasize I'm not a JVG hater, and I love the passion, dedication, and fire that Steve, Cat, Yao, and JJ have shown this year. I would've loved it if things could've worked out with Rudy, but it was clearly time for a change. My point about the offense is with such talented offensive players as the four mentioned abouve, and MoT, this team shouldn't have to struggle to score 70 points. It's almost painful to watch sometimes, and makes defense that much more critical. I applaud JVG's success in getting the team out of its selfish-ball mindset, but absent the addition of a true pass-first point guard, we should let little Steven be Stevie Franchise, w/in the confines of a motion-oriented offensive system.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    1. I have to disagree with your characterization of the Game 1 4th quarter offense. I thought the stretch where Francis was repeatedly running by Payton, getting in the lane and drawing fouls was the most effective offensive play we had seen the entire game.

    2. Your argument seems self-contradictory. First you say JVG shouldn't be trying to turn Francis into something he is not. Then you say Francis needs to make himself into a jump-shooter. Francis is not a great shooter, he's a great slasher. If you want Francis to do what he does best, that is what it is. You can't turn him into Sam Cassell.
     
  9. Rivaldo2181

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    I agree. Without Steve doing what he was doing in Game 1, the game would have never been a point game.

    You comparison is also an unfair one in that Sam is a veteran, not only of the regular season and playoffs but of Championship teams. This is Steve's first playoff experience and I feel he has played extremely well especially since his TO's in game one came early in the game when adrenaline was rushing and the Rox were nervous. Also, I love Yao and feel he will be an MVP some day but you can't compare him with KG. That guy is a triple double threat every single night and makes things so much easier for his teamates.
     
  10. basso

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    I'm not bashing Steve or Yao, or even JVG. I think this team can win with these guys, and their defense is terrific. They completely took Shaq out of his game in Game 2, but they couldn't capitalize on it at the other end. I'd love to see this team succeed, and not need a major overhaul in the off-season, but to get there they've got to learn to score.
     
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    Could someone explain JVG's defensive scheme to me, I don't see what the Rox do that make it so great. To me the low scores are more a by product of the E X T R E M E--S L O W D O W N style of ball that JVG teams play.
     
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    We drafted Yao ming to make our team more complete than it is then..... Drafting Yao gave us another offensive option and a huge advantage on D as well..... it doesn't means we draft Yao and Francis has to just pass the ball into the post and be the PG in JVG offensive system which doesn't change at all.....

    if we have a system that can get the most out of both Yao and Steve, we will be real good on Offense.... what system will that be? I dunno....
     
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    Yao's slow feet make him terrible picking up the defensive rotations, that play early in game two when steve threw the ball off the backboard, he was mad at yao for not rotating over and contesting kobe's drive.
     
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    1) 1 or at most 2 guys going for offensive boards, nullifying opponents break opportunities.

    2) Overplay the baseline and wing, thereby funneling perim players into middle towars Yao and Cato.

    3) Prioritize one on one with late interior zone keys and switches, amplifying effect of 2.

    4) Implementing Riley's Rule: ( ie, they can't call everything. )



    Aside from a now unsual tendancy to avoid doubles except in extreme cases, JVG's scheme isn't all that exceptional. What he does do with D is not so much an Xs and Os thing so much as his ability to teach it to individual players, make the team buy into it and work, and the choices he makes in terms of personel. The greatest example is Cato. To get contemporary players, especially ones whose egos are built around offense to buy into a defense-first philosopy is an exceptional achievment that not all that many coaches can pull off anymore.
     
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    Well said. The Rox need Steve's offense more than anyother player's for us to beat the Lakers. This match is ideally setup to utilize Steve athletic ability and his tenacity. With Yao and Mobley somewhat neutralizing Shaq and Kobe, Steve becomes the X-factor and the catalyst of the offense. If he can do that and keep our TO under 13 - victory is certain for games 4 and 5.
     
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    what about game 3!?!
     
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    Well, that's just a given!
     
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    What is missing from this team is a LEADER. Someone who inspires his team mates. Someone who chews thier A$$ out when they screw up. Someone who demands that they play the best they can each and every night. Steve should be that guy, fifth season with the team, perenial allstar, if the other players are screwing up assignments then he should be the guy to call them out NOT THE COACH. Michaeal Jordan did it, Larry Bird did it, Magic did it. That is the kind of peer pressure that turns a good team into a championship team. IMO.

    GO ROCKETS!!!
     
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    Stevie is a different cat than Sammy. Yao is a different player than KG.

    Stevie needs to be Stevie, and IMO that's been his problem -- he's trying to morph into a different cat than he is. He remains the leader and the heart of this team, and what he needs to morph into is the heart, the Heart of a Champion.

    Stevie is where we will win tonite, and again on Sunday.
     
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    Motion offense, baby!
     

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