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Linconsistency a sign of stardom

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CXbby, Mar 4, 2013.

  1. wincan459

    wincan459 Member

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    Let me make Lin's per game numbers more concise:

    32.5 minutes , 21 among PGs.
    12.8 points, 20th.
    1.20 PPS, 18/19th.
    10.7 FGA 25th.
    6.2 APG 16th.

    All Lin's production numbers are slightly above his playing time and his field goal attempts, indicating he is a tad above average as a stater for his position if given average minutes. His defence and steal may cancel his turn over.
     
  2. muas2010

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    Yup..you are what you system dictates.....Lin will never get enough touches to get his 18+ ppg and 8+ assists (like LOF are dreaming) just like you'll never see Chalmers getting consistently solid numbers (half the time Lebron is running the point).
     
  3. Patterned919

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    According to HoopsStats

    21st in minutes
    21st in Assist
    25th in points
    25th in FGA

    Some other stuff this site has

    For Lin
    With .466+ field-goals percentage, Rockets are 17 - 7
    With 6+ field-goals made, Rockets are 14 - 4
    With 16+ points, Rockets are 13 - 4

    For Harden
    With 11+ field-goals made, Rockets are 8 - 0
    With 8+ assists, Rockets are 9 - 1
     
  4. wincan459

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    Okay. I got the numbers from ESPN for 2012-2013 season.

    Harden is a totally different anamial, among SGs:

    2nd in PPG.
    1st in PPS.
    1st in assists.
    5th in rebounds.
     
  5. Easy

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    Cliff Paul is good at assists.
     
  6. muas2010

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    38+ MPG....damn that's not good (for his long term health). That out to be up there for his position as well? Harden runs the point a good amount time so I would expect the high assists, but definitely a very solid rebounder for the position.
     
  7. Patterned919

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    Yeah, I was just looking at Harden's stats. He's 1st in turnovers among sgs but despite that, he's still 1st in overall efficiency among all SGs. That's awesome. I guess he's beasting so much that him being 1st in TOs is being made up for in other areas. Only LeBron, Durant, and Varajo(avg'd ridiculous rpg) are above him in efficiency. TOs and commitment on defense are his only weaknesses.

    To be fair actually, Lin is 20th, not 21st, in assist if we discount Udrih. 17th in rebounds and 5th in steals which are both also above expectations with respect to his playing time rankings. But he's 11th in TOs and 22nd in efficiency which isn't too good. Jeremy's biggest issues are his shooting %'s(inc. FTs) and his TOs. But another interesting thing is if you discount his bad start in November, his FG% and 3p% both go up 2% to 45.5% and 34.5% respectively, which aren't bad numbers.
     
  8. wincan459

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    Yea. Harden is a bit over-utilized and Lin is a bit under-utilized. Maybe the coach is pushing for the playoffs and McHale does not have enough confidence in Lin.

    With Harden dominating, Lin probably has to sacrify his performance, measured by numbers, a little. But Harden is only 23 and Lin 24, they will mature and appreciate each other more, Lin will be definitely utilized more to his capabilities. In a couple of years they will be the dominating back court in the league.
     
  9. meh

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    Harden's usage% is 27%. Lin 20%. Lin is the #2 most utilized Rocket on offense, operating at ~3/4 of Harden's usage. Lin is utilized 17% more than Parsons, despite Parsons shooting 48%(Lin at 43%) and 38% 3s(Lin 32%).

    How much more utilized do you believe Jeremy Lin should be?
     
  10. Bublanski

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    Good stats.
    I think LIN is improving...we should focus on our defense...
     
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    Kenny Smith too. Ouch.

    I'd put Tony Parker a little higher too.
     
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    If you get an average for average utilization rates by position, PG, SG, SF, PF and C respectively, and compare our starting five with the respective position averages, you'll get a better picture.
     
  14. mike_lu

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    And Tony Parker is above average, not all-star.

    Must have heard both Parker and Lin compared Lin to Parker, so wanted to give Lin a lower ceiling. LOH!

    Sarcasm ... In case
     
  15. meh

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    Why is that? This is an era dominated by quality PGs. There are 31 PGs with >20mpg and > 15 PER, aka "above average." I use PER since it's an easy normalized stat.

    There are 17 such SGs, and 15 SFs with same criteria. Meaning there are just as many average/above average PGs as there are wing players combined.

    I don't know why you think this type of comparison would clear things up. Trying to compare players by their position get you such comparisons as 2nd All-NBA David Robinson getting 29.8ppg/10.7rpg/4.8apg/3.3bpg/1.7spg being compared to fellow 2nd team All-NBAers Mitch Richmond and Kevin Johnson.
     
  16. SeabrookMiglla

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    lin has a lot of potential. right now he is an aggressive player which is good, but long term he needs to learn how to slow the pace down and control the tempo of our team. thats what playoffs is all about in the last 5 minutes, he has got to diversify his game and he already has shown signs of rounding out his general game. at the beginning of the season he was gun shy and injured, but i could still tell that his game was very one dimensional with flashes of other skill sets/moves.

    points of improvement: -3pt shooting (every PG needs this),- jump shot (he likes both feet planted, he needs to have that option where he can shoot a bit off balance, not saying its the best shot to take but its something every great player can do),- handles (a PG with strong handles is always a plus), not getting caught in traffic (dumb mistakes, ive noticed he does this a lot trying to penetrate), and TO(which he has improved a lot).

    positives: he has great court vision for assists, penetration and finishing- its one thing getting there but another thing finishing (lowry had trouble finishing), -he usually stays on his man pretty good on defense, he knows where to be on the court, i dont really see him getting out of position and he is usually open i see him open a lot and harden needs to start trusting him more for taking the 3, even though it may not be all there yet but he has to improve on that 3. he also takes good shots, except when he gets caught into traffic.

    even though i listed more negatives, the negatives will come with time, the positives he does have are very solid. i see that he is getting better in many fields of his game, you can tell that he is really working on his all around game and he admits some of his flaws which is good so that he keeps them in mind. ive noticed a major difference from him in the beginning of the season until now, despite his off games. his game is already looking a lot more cleaned, mature and tamed now, in NYC he had free reign on the court which is good short term but negative when learning the PG position. ive said it before i think the coaching staff is really trying to work on his weaknesses, and that may be why they have him on such a short leash so that he learns from his mistakes.
     
  17. RedDynasty

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    Lol, poor Steve. Damn, he could have been so good...
     
  18. aesthetics80

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    You forget to mention the reason those guys haven't reached their potential is because of things like poor work ethic/low BBIQ.

    Tyreke has very poor work ethic, in past offseasons he was out of shape and needed to be scolded by his mother or something to get back in shape. He's had multiple seasons to work on his weaknesses such as his jumper but he still stinks at shooting. His BBIQ is also questionable.

    Javale is another case of poor BBIQ. There's a reason he's on Shaqtin' a Fool every week, the dude is just not very smart.

    Jeremy's work ethic is near the top and he has one of the important things you can't really teach, BBIQ, in spades. His biggest weaknesses are jump shooting and consistency and the shooting part has already seen a huge improvement in just a matter of weeks/months. His 3-point and FG percentages have already surpassed Dragic, and nobody considers Dragic's jump shot to be a weakness.

    Consistency will take much longer but I don't see it being an issue in the future as Lin gains more experience.
     
  19. hubeijames

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    Or maybe he just wanted an objective way to sort the players by "skill" so he went with Basketball-Reference's Elo Rating and then created "tiers" so non-Basketball fans could understand what they were looking at. You have a problem with Parker's rating, take it up with Basketball-Reference.
     
  20. maderzhao

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    Great post! Can't agree more. You can do it once and you can do it again as long as you are a true competitor.

     

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