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Lieberman: Dean's Ideas are a Ticket to Nowhere

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Mr. Clutch, Aug 5, 2003.

  1. Mr. Clutch

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    Lieberman: Dems Must Shun Gov't Programs
    Mon Aug 4, 4:24 PM ET

    By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

    WASHINGTON - Presidential candidate Joe Lieberman (news - web sites) warned Monday that his Democratic rivals threaten to send the party "into the political wilderness" with a return to big-government programs and less-than-strong stands on national security.

    Determined to persuade Democrats that he is the only candidate capable of defeating President Bush (news - web sites), the Connecticut senator said the party must focus on strengthening America's security and economy and will, in turn, win over moderate voters.

    "Some Democrats, on the contrary, still prefer the old, big government solutions to our problems," Lieberman said in a speech to the National Press Club. "But, my friends, with record deficits, a stalled economy and Social Security (news - web sites) in danger, we can't afford that."

    Lieberman did not name any of his opponents but took a shot at their political stands on a range of issues.

    He criticized Missouri Rep. Dick Gephardt (news - web sites)'s plan to provide health care for nearly all Americans and his opposition to trade treaties such as the North American Free Trade Agreement.

    He assailed those who opposed the U.S.-led war against Iraq (news - web sites) — former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, Sen. Bob Graham (news, bio, voting record) of Florida, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (news, bio, voting record) of Ohio former Illinois Sen. Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton.

    Lieberman is positioning himself as the foil to Dean, whose campaign has taken off on his criticism of Bush's tax cuts and the conflict in Iraq. Lieberman said those positions "could really be a ticket to nowhere."

    "If George Bush and his bankrupt ideology are the problem, believe me, old Democratic policies like higher taxes and weakness on defense are not the solution," Lieberman said. "We need to reclaim the vital center of American politics for the Democrats."

    While Lieberman goes after the center to take votes from Bush, Dean says Democrats must take a stand against Bush's policies to win.

    "Unlike some Democrats in Washington, Governor Dean believes that the way to beat George Bush is to stand up to him and to give people a reason to vote," said Dean spokeswoman Tricia Enright.

    In a question-and-answer period after the speech, Lieberman said he respects Dean's opposition to the war, but, "I just plain disagree with him."

    Lieberman, who ran as Al Gore (news - web sites)'s running mate in 2000, was also asked if he would choose Gore as his vice presidential nominee.

    "I would guess that being vice president is something one does once in a lifetime, so I don't think that's in the cards.

    Lieberman had promised not to run for president this year if Gore was in the race. He also he doesn't expect Gore to change his mind and get in now, but won't drop out if he does.

    "I've crossed a bridge," he said. "I'm in this for the duration."

    http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto...4/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_lieberman_2&printer=1
     
  2. twhy77

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    It's amazing how pro war dems don't catch any heat from BBS posters or the media. Hmmm....
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    Lieberman = Republican lite.

    The Democrats only chance in 2004 is to stand up against Bush and provide the voters with a real choice, whether it is Dean or anyone else. If Lieberman got the nomination, he would be trounced easily.
     
  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    This is the strongest imaginable endorsement of Dean. I am now starting to believe Dean can win.

    Pleiberman is the definition of nowhere. He is the political equivalent of boiled melba toast with a diluted miracle whip topping. Blech.
     
  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    :confused: You've missed a lot. Kerry, Pleiberman, et al., have all come under fire for supplicating under Bush's war boot. Too many threads to reference.
     
  6. Legendary21

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    It seams he thinks he´ll win by being Bush like.
     
  7. twhy77

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    But like half the dems are for war....

    They don't find any fault in the way W is handling it. Yet, it seems to be the only thing besides the economy (which if you actually look at numbers, sorry I agree w/ TJ on this one, is going up, and besides, thats the way the economy goes, it goes up, and then it goes down, and then it goes up again). So it seems like the media is the only one who is really concerned with the war... why, because they have nothing else to talk about... Kobe's not interesting, they are just trying to make something... which has two effects, people trying to cash in on bashing the war, and the war now getting hyped again.
     
  8. Batman Jones

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    Lieberman's desperate and this is the only case he's got left to make to save his floundering campaign. Having begun with a large lead due to name recognition, his numbers (both polling and fundraising) are down in every area. All he's got left to do is frame himself as the 'electable' moderate. Problem for him is there are other candidates who can carry that mantle and are polling better and raising more money than he is. After embarassing showings in Iowa and New Hampshire, he'll be on the ropes. And he can't expect to do any better in South Carolina (which is make or break for Edwards as well), which is probably when he'll have to drop out. If no one else gets in (Clark, Biden, Gore), it'll probably be a Kerry-Dean race by then. The dark horses there are Edwards and Gephardt, who could still make noise, but Lieberman's already over and everybody but him already knows it.
     
  9. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    twhy-oh-why77,
    No offense, but I can't go on proving to both of us that we live on different planets anymore. Best wishes.
     
  10. Mr. Clutch

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    The rest of us already know you live in California. ;)
     
  11. twhy77

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    At least mine's earth. ;)
     
  12. mc mark

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    which is a dumb kind of name
    but they named it right
    because we behave the same...

    ;)
     
  13. Batman Jones

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    Did you figure that out yourself or did you have to check with the pope first?

    Nice one, mc mark. Any opportunity to quote Zappa to thick zealots is a good one. Here's the whole song:

    DUMB ALL OVER

    Whoever we are
    Wherever we’re from
    We shoulda noticed by now
    Our behavior is dumb
    And if our chances
    Expect to improve
    It’s gonna take a lot more
    Than tryin’ to remove
    The other race
    Or the other whatever
    From the face
    Of the planet altogether

    They call it the earth
    Which is a dumb kinda name
    But they named it right
    ’cause we behave the same...
    We are dumb all over
    Dumb all over,
    Yes we are
    Dumb all over,
    Near ’n far
    Dumb all over,
    Black ’n white
    People, we is not wrapped tight

    Nurds on the left
    Nurds on the right
    Religous fanatics
    On the air every night
    Sayin’ the bible
    Tells the story
    Makes the details
    Sound real gory
    ’bout what to do
    If the geeks over there
    Don’t believe in the book
    We got over here

    You can’t run a race
    Without no feet
    ’n pretty soon
    There won’t be no street
    For dummies to jog on
    Or doggies to dog on
    Religous fanatics
    Can make it be all gone
    (I mean it won’t blow up
    ’n disappear
    It’ll just look ugly
    For a thousand years...)

    You can’t run a country
    By a book of religion
    Not by a heap
    Or a lump or a smidgeon
    Of foolish rules
    Of ancient date
    Designed to make
    You all feel great
    While you fold, spindle
    And mutilate
    Those unbelievers
    From a neighboring state

    To arms! to arms!
    Hooray! that’s great
    Two legs ain’t bad
    Unless there’s a crate
    They ship the parts
    To mama in
    For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
    Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
    The good book says:
    ("it gotta be that way!")
    But their book says:
    "revenge the crusades...
    With whips ’n chains
    ’n hand grenades..."
    Two arms? two arms?
    Have another and another
    Our God says:
    "there ain’t no other!"
    Our God says
    "it’s all okay!"
    Our God says
    "this is the way!"

    It says in the book:
    "burn ’n destroy...
    ’n repent, ’n redeem
    ’n revenge, ’n deploy
    ’n rumble thee forth
    To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
    ’cause they don’t go for what’s in the book
    ’n that makes ’em bad
    So verily we must choppeth them up
    And stompeth them down
    Or rent a nice french bomb
    To poof them out of existance
    While leaving their real estate just where we need it
    To use again
    For temples in which to praise our god
    ("cause he can really take care of business!")

    And when his humble tv servant
    With humble white hair
    And humble glasses
    And a nice brown suit
    And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
    Tells us our God says
    It’s okay to do this stuff
    Then we gotta do it,
    ’cause if we don’t do it,
    We ain’t gwine up to hebbin!
    (depending on which book you’re using at the
    Time...can’t use theirs... it don’t work
    ...it’s all lies...gotta use mine...)
    Ain’t that right?
    That’s what they say
    Every night...
    Every day...
    Hey, we can’t really be dumb
    If we’re just following god’s orders
    Hey, let’s get serious...
    God knows what he’s doin’
    He wrote this book here
    An’ the book says:
    He made us all to be just like him,"
    So...
    If we’re dumb...
    Then God is dumb...
    (an’ maybe even a little ugly on the side)
     
  14. B-Bob

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    [​IMG]
    "Sad humans. By the time you realize the true nature of
    our rogue operative, Zgyuopiout, (you call him "Cheney"),
    your planet will be ours! And then you will all go to work
    in the new global peanut butter factories! Mwha-ha-ha!"
     
  15. Batman Jones

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    Course, once I get started it's hard to stop.

    Here's another, twhy:

    THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT NOTHING

    Some take the bible
    For what it's worth
    When it says that the meek
    Shall inherit the Earth
    Well, I heard that some sheik
    Has bought New Jersey last week
    'N you suckers ain't gettin' nothin'

    Is Hare Rama really wrong
    If you wander around
    With a napkin on
    With a bell on a stick
    An' your hair is all gone . . .
    (The geek shall inherit nothin')

    You say yer life's a bum deal
    'N yer up against the wall . . .
    Well, people, you ain't even got no kinda
    Deal at all
    'Cause what they do
    In Washington
    They just takes care of NUMBER ONE
    An' NUMBER ONE ain't YOU
    You ain't even NUMBER TWO

    Those Jesus Freaks
    Well, they're friendly but
    The **** they believe
    Has got their minds all shut
    An' they don't even care
    When the church takes a cut
    Ain't it bleak when you got so much nothin'
    (So whaddya do? Hey!)
    Eat that pork
    Eat that ham
    Laugh till ya choke
    On Billy Graham
    Moses, Aaron 'n Abraham . . .
    They're all a waste of time
    'N it's your ass that's on the line
    (IT'S YOUR ASS THAT'S ON THE LINE)

    Do what you wanna
    Do what you will
    Just don't mess up
    Your neighbor's thrill
    'N when you pay the bill
    Kindly leave a little tip
    And help the next poor sucker
    On his one way trip . . .
    SOME TAKE THE BIBLE . . .
    (Aw gimme a half a dozen for the hotel room!)
    =========================================

    And just one more:

    HEAVENLY BANK ACCOUNT

    And if these words you do not heed
    Your pocketbook just kinda might recede
    When some man comes along and claims a godly need
    He will clean you out right through your tweed

    ("That's right, you asked for it, remember there is a big difference
    between kneeling down and bending over . . .")

    He's got twenty million dollars
    In his Heavenly Bank Account . . .
    All from those chumps who was
    Born again
    Oh yeah, oh yeah

    He's got seven limousines
    And a private plane . . .
    All for the use of his
    Special Friends
    Oh yeah, oh yeah

    He's got thousand-dollar suits
    And a Wembley Tie . . .
    Girls love to stroke it
    While he's on the phone
    Oh yeah, oh yeah

    At the House of Representatives
    He's a groovy guy . . .
    When he Gives Thanks
    He is not alone . . .

    He is dealin'
    He is really dealin'
    IRS can't determine
    Where The Hook is

    It is easy with the Bible
    To pretend that
    You're in Show Biz
    (And a-one, and a-two, and a . . . )

    They won't get him
    They will never get him
    For the naughty stuff
    That he did

    It is best in cases like this
    To pretend that
    You are stupid
    (DOH . . . )

    He's got Presidential Help
    All along the way
    He says the grace
    While the lawyers chew
    Oh yeah
    They sure do

    And the Governors agree to say:
    "He's a lovely man!"
    He makes it easier for
    Them to screw
    All of you . . .
    Yes, that's true!

    'Cause he helps put The Fear of God
    In the Common Man
    Snatchin' up money
    Everywhere he can
    Oh yeah
    Oh yeah

    He's got twenty million dollars
    In his Heavenly Bank Account
    You ain't got nothin', people
    You ain't got nothin', people
    You ain't got nothin', people
    Thank the man . . . oh yeah
     
  16. GreenVegan76

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    ...because Democrats have done so well the last two years pretending to be Republicans.
     
  17. Mr. Clutch

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    I wonder if Dean shares those opinions on the Bible?
     
  18. twhy77

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    Great post Batman, lets see you managed to bag on the Pope, me, Catholocism, and everything else I hold dear in life. I won't make fun of you. I'll just point you to my new thread and hope that we can agree on something.
     
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    Dean isn't that liberal. He's against gun control, is for a balanced budget and favors smaller government. I live in Vermont, and he's definitely got a strong libertarian/conservative streak.

    What makes him unique is that he's also a proponent of women's rights, universal health care, better wages, and stronger environmental regulations.
     
  20. glynch

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    Poor dorky Lieberman. If he would somehow win, then the election is over the Republicans win whoever wins.

    I guess Lieberman is getting desperate. He will be one of the first to bite the dust. Just because he got the Iraqi war he wanted so badly from Dubya and his fellow neocons , does not mean that he has a clue about national politics. Just because Al Gore chose him doesn't mean that he has any sort of following in the Democratic Party.
     

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