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Lewis: "...I think Dallas has a better organization than Houston"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by montgo, Jul 26, 2002.

  1. montgo

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    Instead of begging Lewis to come here...let's all great him at the airport when he heads back to Dallas to sign with the Mavs with signs that read Lewis is a Punk and we do not want him here in his light blue, terry cloth, gansta outfit. You can tell he has matured over the years by being tickled with the college recruiting antics that Cuban has employed and his polite manners in bashing another NBA team!!!

    A Few Shout Outs:

    Hey Lewis: I believe 28 teams in the NBA passed on you as well...it is time to get over it. You will always be fifth fiddle which is why you want to go to Dallas. A guy with the name Raef is going to take more shots than you. Good Luck

    Hey Lewis: Dallas has one of the biggest payrolls in the NBA and still cannot get over the hump!!!

    Hey Lewis: Check the rafters at the American Airlines arena, I believe there are some NBA Championship banners hanging there...oh wait...that is at the new downtown stadium in Houston.....sorry, I got confused, because I thought Dallas is a better organization than Houston...


    This had to said. I do not mind losing out in the FA hunt in this case, but why bash the Rockets organization again? Dude will never learn. Yes, we passed on him, but this is the biz and so did 28 other teams.
     
  2. RocksMillenium

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    The guy isn't all that great, he put up good numbers, but he isn't worth begging for. And taking shots at the Rockets, pretty pathetic really. Either way Dallas still doesn't have a tough frontcourt so until they get a bangers and a physical presence in the paint they're still going to be cannon fodder for the nBA elite teams. Still, Lewis needs to stop whining about Houston, geez let it go. But if he thinks that an organization that has never been to the Finals is better then one that has been to the playoffs numerous times, been to 4 Finals and won 2 championships, then I say let him enjoy his delusions.
     
  3. NJRocket

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    Rocks...you are right...he isnt worth begging for , however, he IS worth the MCE.

    I think we are going to see how bad he wants to play for Houston.
     
  4. RocksMillenium

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    I completely agree. Lewis isn't a bad player, and I'm not going to call him a malcontent or anything. I'd love to have him on the Rocks and I agree he's worth the MCE, without a doubt. He fits this team, he's not a great player, but he's pretty good player. But if he REALLY thinks that Dallas has a better organization then Houston that guy has lost his mind completely. I mean utterly, completely and totally lost his mind. I mean GONE in the head!
     
  5. ROXTXIA

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    Maybe Houston hasn't showed interest as we have read...?

    Still, he should keep his comments to himself. Words spoken in anger tend to bite the speaker in the a$$. What if the phone was about to ring: "Hey, Houston was gonna send Mo T and Jason Collier (fat chance, pun intended) to Chicago, Fizer to Seattle, and you to Houston...we'd gotten around the BYC...but you just screwed it up!" All because you let Mark Cuban BS you.

    Rashard knows he'd get about 20 mpg in Dallas...right?
     
  6. Dogbelly

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    Where is this quote from?
     
  7. AstroRocket

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    "I think Dallas can kiss my ass." - AstroRocket
     
  8. SlamN

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    Lewis is a good player and has every right to hold a grudge toward Houston. Lewis wanted to play for Houston and it seemed Houston wanted Lewis, then on draft day he was passed up by Houston, not once but 3 times.

    Even if Houston was my favorite team its hard to forgive them for that (if I was Rashard). And right now, Dallas, has a solid organization. Cuban doesn't care about money (wish he would throw some my way) and will do and spend whatever it takes to get a championship team. Houston, not too long ago, was on the verge of losing their team.

    Anyway, it would be nice to have a hometown fav here in Houston but the Rockets will do fine with Nachbar, TMo, and Rice.
     
  9. Stylez

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    What can you honestly expect from the kid? Cuban had 200+ people waiting for him at the airport. A Mavs jersey made for him. Some play-by-play of him w/ the Mavs made and doctored pictures of him in a Mavs uni. And he was asked if it was between Dallas & Houston in front of Cuban, Nelson, & a bunch of Mavs fans what did you think he would say? "Uh, I still thinks its Houston all the way." I don't think so.

    Have any of you heard of playing to the crowd. Hell Drew Gooden said at the Kansas rally after they lost in the Final Four that he couldn't wait to come back next year and do it again. The next week he declared himself eligble for the NBA draft. How many of players did the Rockets work out before the draft said they had no intrest in playing for the Rockets? None. They all said how they'd love to play here. And do you know what they all said when they worked out for the Cavs, Grizzlies and all the other lotto teams? The exact same thing.

    The Mavs are going all out for the Lewis and the Rockets have barely mentioned that they were somewhat interested. Add that to the fact that they passed him out 3 times in the draft (for no one who helped the Rocks) and I could see him saying that. Lets just wait and see what happens after the Dallas hoop-la settles down and the Rockets make an offical pitch.
     
  10. tozai

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    I don't really want Lewis on the team. For the MCE he'd be a bargain, but he's definitely not worth the MAX or anything close. I think they're just using Houston as leverage. He's a good player, but I don't think he'll get MUCH better. The main problem I see with him being here is that there aren't enough shots for him. Steve and Cuttino, and now Griffin and Mo, Yao, and even Nachbar. Even if we did a S&T with him for Mo, he'd be 3rd or 4th option. That's nice for us, but I don't think he wants that.

    He does have a grudge to hold against Houston because they SHOULD have taken him. They basically promised to take him and had 3 chances. Everyone knows it was a big mistake, but he should get over it. He wants to be close to home (Dallas) but not at home where there would be too many distractions plus his resentment with the draft.

    Dallas IS a better organization in some ways. Mark Cuban pampers you and gives you alot of stuff that other teams don't have like freaking playstations and DVD players in your lockers, etc, etc.

    As a whole though, Houston has done more than Dallas will ever do.
     
  11. verse

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    i'm a rockets fan, but, dallas DOES have a better organization than anyone in the league (save for jerry buss' squad). they have the best owner in the league. a guy willing to do anything for his players or team. luxury tax schmuxury tax. let's win baby! screens in the seats for the fans? bring em on!!!

    that said, it doesn't mean that shard won't come to houston. he just stated the obvious fact. i mean, realistically, houston has never expressed the kind of love for shard that dallas did in the past few days. not on draft night. not during free agency. not ever.

    hopefully, that will change in the upcoming days, though.
     
  12. montgo

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    Styles and Slamn:

    I with ya on allpoints except for 2:

    1. 28 other teams passed on him, including the Mavs...yes, ours was more stark because the three we had and we went Drew and Turkean, but, still bad decision making when you continue to "bash" the organization. These things have a way of haunting you. Besides, really until this past yer, he was not that impressive and proved to be a low second round pick.....

    2. As far as the Rocks pursuing him. Do not forget a few things:
    1) going after him in a very aggressive manner before we lock down Francis would not be politically smart. As a general rule, lock down your star, before virgoursly pursuing FA.
    2) we really do not know what we have said or done in the way of interest. True, if it were not for the Circus in Dallas, this may be playing differently. But, we all know Cuban is flash and the Rockets are not.
    3) Still, you do not continue bash, it gets you no where. The Rockets have never said one thing negative about him. Always positive. The fact that they skipped him and said they were going to draft him has never been proven. You get different stories from Lewis' camp. I am sure he was on a short list. Players on a short list are notified and I am sure there were about 5-8 players on that list, but only three could get selected and that does not mean he was not wanted, just things fell a certain way. if he was such a hot prospect at that time, other teams would have dropped their jaws and snapped him up after the Rockets passed on him....so theoretically, he should hold a grudge against everyone....bottomline: he needs to drop the smack talk and keep quiet and go about his business....
     
  13. ROXTXIA

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    Um...Mark Cuban, best owner in the league. Hmn. I guess if I was a player I'd think so. I'm sure I'd overlook his jock-sniffing ass-clown ways if he owned the Rockets.

    Stylez explains it well. What's more, if he'd already heard from Cuban, "Sign for the MCE for 3 years, I'll pay you the max after that contract, no questions asked" (very possible) I'd probably say the same thing: "Dallas good, Houston so-so."

    If Seattle loses this guy, they're gonna look stupid. If Dallas gets him and pays him the max? Well, Cuban can afford to be stupid.
     
  14. ron413

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    I guess with that thinking, one could say that the Houston Texans have a better organization than anyone in the National Football League. That is stating the obvous, Go Texans!
     
  15. montgo

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    better organization because he is a whacky owner!!!! Luxury tax!!!!

    I am not too sure that makes for a better organization.....

    Les has been pretty good about the biz too. He is also one of the best community owners......

    Cuban is pretty cool, but to say that one is better than the other based upon a media hype owner.....

    Just because you have all the cash to throw does not make you a better organization than the Rockets. materialistically, maybe...but not on the whole:

    look at the histories of the franchises, look at the results, look at other factors too. Not just superficial. I would be okay with it, but to throw it out there in the media is too much. Especially, based on the fact that we are a more storied franchise and Dallas has not done anything...When they win the NBA Championship, then come talk to us about better....
     
  16. Dennis2112

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    There is more to being a good organization than just pleasing fans and spending money. To be a good organization , you need to spend your money wisely and let the basketball people make the basketball decisions and the financial people make the financial decisions.

    Also , a sign of a good organization is stability and a good work environment.

    I feel the Rockets provide those things and much more. They give the players a chance to get better and follow thru with promises. I am not saying that Dallas doesn't but they fill their roster with a bunch of good to very good players but never seem to fill their REAL needs...such as an inside presence to combat teams like the Kings, Lakers, & the Spurs.


    I would grade a good organization on what have they accomplished as a team.

    How many times has the Mavs been to the finals?
    How many championships have they won?

    I like Cuban's enthusiasm and his guts. He is not afraid of taking a chance but he still does silly stuff like hiring 10-15 coaches and stockpiling players who play basically the same position.
     
  17. verse

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    montgo,

    as much as i like to throw that line about ("we have championships and you don't"), even i realize that it has limits. cuban hasn't owned the mavs for all that long. and, truthfully, he is very close to winning it all. i'd say he's about 2 good defenders away from being a championship club.

    also, the only way i judge owners/franchises is by:

    1) willingness to spend $$$ on the right players
    2) personnel decisions
    3) willingness to relate to the fans
    4) Ws and Ls


    i can't just look at "how many trophies" because i think that's indicative of the owners/players during that era they were winning championships. i mean, damn, portland has championship clout, but are they a good franchise? hell no. they don't relate to their fans and they make terrible personnel decisions.

    houston is a damn fine franchise. we've had our questionable personnel decisions just like anyone else. our willingness to relate to the fans...well talk to the season ticket holders about that. i live in san antonio, but from what i've heard, many season ticket holders are not exactly thrilled with prices, service, halftime entertainment, etc. out willingness to spend $$$? well, we've proven that we will.

    so this is not a bash houston comment. merely a tip of the cap to to dallas. they are one of the top franchises in bball. nothing wrong with seeing that.
     
  18. Verbatim

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    R. Lewis said what he needed to say. Mavs (Cuban) was treating him better than the Rockets. That is a fact. Does that make Dallas a better org? Well in Lewis' eyes it does.

    Heck if you are a highly skill worker and a potential company just gave you the ROYAL treatment, what are you going to tell them?

    Add that to the fact the Rockets have not done a thing yet. And that when he came out, he was not drafted by the Rockets even when they had 3 picks. This was all captured on TV with him crying in the green room and lasting until the 2nd round.

    The NBA is a business but Lewis is what only 22, 18 at the time of the draft.

    If for some reason he ends up playing here, then the next line in a future quote may be, "Dallas' Org may be better, but I still ratter play for the Rockets and my home team"
     
  19. Dennis2112

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    Of course the Texans are better, they are the home team!!:D

    All kidding aside, do you think Bob Mcnair runs the whole ball of wax and doesn't let his people do their jobs? OF course not. Bob has been in bussiness for a long time and knows that you are only as good as the people who work for you. If you surround yourself with smart people than you will look smart .

    Cuban is smart but he has a habit of micro-managing and does not always let his people make the decisions. Thats his perrogative but it is not always smart.
     
  20. LiLStevie3

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    Cuban only several years ago bought the Mavs, so you can't judge their futility in the past when you judge Cuban. Don Nelson and he have done a great job of rebuilding what once was one of the laughing stocks of the NBA.

    If I was a player, the one owner I would want to play for is Cuban. I mean, look at everything the Mavs did to woo Lewis on his visit. Wow. And have you seen the Dallas locker room? really high tech. Cuban doesn't give a darn about the luxury tax, and is willing to overpay for players. He even has a little group that monitors consistency among refs. He's an outstanding owner from a player's perspective. I don't blame Lewis for what he said; he didn't trash the Rockets organization, he just said the Mavs had a better organization. The Mavs have a better organization than any other team in the league with the possible exception of the Lakers. The Rockets organization is still one of the league's best.

    Lewis still would be a great acquisition for us, provided he doesn't demand too much money. This comment doesn't all of a sudden make him a bad player.
     
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