1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Length is a commodity

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by VoR, Oct 30, 2025 at 1:54 PM.

  1. VoR

    VoR Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2020
    Messages:
    2,148
    Likes Received:
    2,964
    So Ime and Stone have essentially looked at what OKC has done and duplicated it in some aspects. Length is the rule. You can't make your players on your bench miraculously taller, so this roster creates many mismatch problems for teams that focus on guards or who have weak players at the PF and C positions. This seems to be the trend that the league is going in until it can be beat. SGA makes it even more difficult to beat them as a team, because there is length at the PG position too with him. So, future NBA teams will likely look like this. Every player will be 6' 5" and taller and the players that are only 6' 5" will only be 3-4 per squad. That is until the league finds a cheat to that cheat and the cycle starts all over again.
     
    roslolian and Rokman like this.
  2. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    34,041
    Likes Received:
    9,743
  3. DaDakota

    DaDakota Fight Facism
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    130,887
    Likes Received:
    41,582
    Skill is more important but skill plus length is an advantage.

    In cases of equal skill always take the taller player.

    OKC would not be near as good without SGA.

    DD
     
    Dobbizzle likes this.
  4. glimmertwins

    glimmertwins Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2006
    Messages:
    7,034
    Likes Received:
    5,787
    This wasn't an OKC thing - this has floated around the league for a while with the "point forward" roles guys like Lebron, Magic, and Lamar Odom creating mismatches had but when you apply it to a team - it became a strategy a young Milwaukee Bucks team used when it drafted players like John Henson, Thon Maker, Larry Sanders, Jabari Parker, and some kid named Giannis. To be clear - the secret isn't length alone.

    The secret is SKILLED players with length. The goal is to find the tallest collection of players who can dribble the ball, shoot 3s, guard many positions, create offense, pass, etc. You are looking for versatility AND length. Wemby and Giannis are probably the best at that thing but Houston is applying it to the whole roster. The irony here is, this is effectively increasing the size of the shortest players who can play in the NBA and oh by the way, we drafted Reed who was already very short by NBA standards but increasingly looks like a kid who ran out from the stands when playing next to Durant, Jabari, Sengun, and Amen.
     
    roslolian and VoR like this.
  5. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    34,041
    Likes Received:
    9,743
    In the late 80's the lakers started Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, Magic, and Byron Scott.

    with the exception of the latter, all were 6' 7" or taller, average was almost 6' 9".

    i recall someone at the time remarking that the ideal NBA lineup was 5 guys 6' 9".

    or maybe just five Magic Johnsons.
     
    clos4life, roslolian, Rokman and 2 others like this.
  6. VoR

    VoR Member

    Joined:
    Feb 5, 2020
    Messages:
    2,148
    Likes Received:
    2,964
    100% Skilled players with body control. Magic, Harden, and Luka all come to mind. But now it is also to the extreme of having your SGs 6' 6" to 6' 8" and then having all of your other player just damn big.
     
    clos4life, roslolian and glimmertwins like this.
  7. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,822
    Likes Received:
    33,942
    Ime didn't take this from OKC. The league has been going this direction for a few years now. One of the reasons is taller guys are getting more skilled, in general. Whereas a 6'5"+ guy was not often a PG but rather a SG or an undersized SF in the past, now you have 6'5"+ guys handling the ball more. If you look at a lot of drafts, there are tons of these guys out there, too, but the question is whether or not they'll actually pan out or how long they'll take to do so. In many cases, they won't have the IQ that Ime seems gung-ho about. In other cases, they show they just don't have enough skills once they get to the NBA.


    Cooper definitely wasn't 6'7" and it's debatable Magic Johnson was 6'8" or 6'9", (he wasn't) but that's another story. lol.
     
  8. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Atomic Playboy

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    59,118
    Likes Received:
    52,825
  9. CrixusTheUndefeatedGaul

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2022
    Messages:
    3,180
    Likes Received:
    2,235
    I’m just loving our monster lineup guys. Once they’re getting comfortable with each other, they will be hard to beat. Aqua Man is going insane on the offensive board now, 31.1 percent the first 4 games. Number one in the league.
     
    roslolian likes this.
  10. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    34,041
    Likes Received:
    9,743
    magic was always listed as 6' 9". perhaps you have other sources.
     
  11. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    37,856
    Likes Received:
    37,046
  12. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2003
    Messages:
    37,856
    Likes Received:
    37,046
    heh heh
     
    clos4life and glimmertwins like this.
  13. Dankstronaut

    Dankstronaut Way, way out here.

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2008
    Messages:
    10,578
    Likes Received:
    15,152
    [​IMG]
     
    clos4life likes this.
  14. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 1999
    Messages:
    46,822
    Likes Received:
    33,942
    Yeah, and Hakeem was always listed as 7'0". :D It's been speculated for a while that Magic Johnson wasn't really that tall. People have been arguing about it forever. Even standing next to Bird, he was probably 1-2" shorter in many pics (there's one where they're fighting over a championship trophy where Larry's not standing up straight and he still looked 2" taller.), but then I think Larry was probably at least an inch taller than he was listed (6'9"), too. But anyway, I once read someone post that Magic said in one of his books he was something like 6'7" or 6'8", but I never verified. Magic also said he was 6'9" once to Conan O'Brien while they were standing next to one another. Conan is 6'4" and it sure didn't look like there was 5" of height difference between them. Even if a quote from one of his books says he was shorter, he's also said he was 6'9", too. In the end, it's a who knows - that's why I was saying it was debatable.
     
  15. Will

    Will Clutch Crew
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    5,360
    Likes Received:
    10,623
    In my experience, one is all you need
     
    clos4life and basso like this.
  16. basso

    basso Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    34,041
    Likes Received:
    9,743
    that’s what she…nvm
     
  17. thegary

    thegary Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2002
    Messages:
    11,172
    Likes Received:
    3,286
    Depends on the she
     
    basso likes this.
  18. Rokman

    Rokman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    6,542
    Likes Received:
    7,912
    I've actually thought a perfect team would consist of nearly all 6'8" guys for 25 years. Seems to be more of those guys who are very skilled all the way around than the 6'9" guys.
     
    basso likes this.
  19. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    101,654
    Likes Received:
    50,588
  20. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    101,654
    Likes Received:
    50,588
    Some of those 6'8-6'9 could be 6'10 with modern nutrition.

     
    basso likes this.

Share This Page