Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Lebron James passing to the corner when he gets in the paint

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012.

Tags:

Page 1 of 10

jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

....is the absolute stupidest basketball play in the whole NBA. How can a coach allow that?

#1 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012
Last edited: Apr 28, 2012

Yung-T Member

Joined:

Apr 16, 2009

Messages:

24,403

Likes Received:

7,053

What are you talking about, that's a common play. Guy drives and draws several defenders, shooters are open in the corner for efficient open three. This is the first time you see this in basketball? Point guards do it all the time.

#2 Yung-T, Apr 28, 2012
_RTM_ Member

Joined:

Nov 30, 2009

Messages:

3,104

Likes Received:

462

If they had made Space Jam with LeBron instead of Jordan, he would have quickly ‘taken his talents’ to the Alien team

#3 _RTM_, Apr 28, 2012

1 person likes this.
swyyyguy Member

Joined:

Jan 7, 2008

Messages:

8,068

Likes Received:

3,323

when you're up 66-40 with 27 points in the 3rd quarter, i think the coach doesn't mind.

#4 swyyyguy, Apr 28, 2012
Mr. Space City Member

Joined:

May 2, 2009

Messages:

31,161

Likes Received:

36,746

spo did the same thing with wade before the "big 3"

#5 Mr. Space City, Apr 28, 2012
jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

swyyyguy said: ↑

when you're up 66-40 with 27 points in the 3rd quarter, i think the coach doesn't mind.
Click to expand...

He does it all the time, even when they are down 10. And it's not about this game. It's bad basketball decision making. It's a bad play.

#6 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012
jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

Yung-T said: ↑

What are you talking about, that's a common play. Guy drives and draws several defenders, shooters are open in the corner for efficient open three. This is the first time you see this in basketball? Point guards do it all the time.
Click to expand...

C'mon man. Think about it. Lebron James.

#7 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012

spysta Member

Joined:

Jul 18, 2007

Messages:

1,060

Likes Received:

14

????? You have to pass the ball to the corner to keep the defense honest, or else they can collapse every time you drive, thats why having wings that can hit the corner 3 is so vital for teams with good penetrators. Shane battier, bruce bowen and others have built entire careers of there abilities to convert on those plays (that and being great defenders)

#8 spysta, Apr 28, 2012
Yung-T Member

Joined:

Apr 16, 2009

Messages:

24,403

Likes Received:

7,053

jopatmc said: ↑

C'mon man. Think about it. Lebron James.
Click to expand...

It's still a good play and one of the best ways to get your shooters involved and in rythm. Don't get why you are talking about this, every playmaker does this.

#9 Yung-T, Apr 28, 2012
jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

spysta said: ↑

????? You have to pass the ball to the corner to keep the defense honest, or else they can collapse every time you drive, thats why having wings that can hit the corner 3 is so vital for teams with good penetrators. Shane battier, bruce bowen and others have built entire careers of there abilities to convert on those plays (that and being great defenders)
Click to expand...

This is Lebron James we're talking about. I'm not talking about anybody else but Lebron here. It's a bad basketball play for him and the Heat. It limits their efficiency. It's a stupid play. And all they gotta do is analyze shooting percentages for about 30 seconds to figure it out.

#10 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012
t_mac1 Member

Joined:

Jan 10, 2008

Messages:

26,614

Likes Received:

211

TMAC did this quite often. I guess it's a point-forward thing?

#11 t_mac1, Apr 28, 2012
jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

t_mac1 said: ↑

TMAC did this quite often. I guess it's a point-forward thing?
Click to expand...

TMac doing it is a whole different animal. Especially the TMac post injury. He can't hardly dunk the ball anymore. Not the same thing. I'm talking about Lebron.

#12 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012
Yung-T Member

Joined:

Apr 16, 2009

Messages:

24,403

Likes Received:

7,053

The corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots in basketball and gets your shooters hot. When you have guys like Chalmers, Battier, Jones, Miller your team is made for that play. I want you to find one NBA coach that says it's a bad play, I just don't see your point. When there are 3-4 defenders closing in on James to contest him it's the best play he can make.

#13 Yung-T, Apr 28, 2012

Yung-T Member

Joined:

Apr 16, 2009

Messages:

24,403

Likes Received:

7,053

jopatmc said: ↑

TMac doing it is a whole different animal. Especially the TMac post injury. He can't hardly dunk the ball anymore. Not the same thing. I'm talking about Lebron.
Click to expand...

He was talking about prime T-Mac. Also guys like CP3, Nash, Parker did this their whole career.

#14 Yung-T, Apr 28, 2012
jopatmc Member

Joined:

Sep 4, 2002

Messages:

15,370

Likes Received:

390

Yeah, it's one of the most efficient plays in basketball, Yung-T. Wake up!

#15 jopatmc, Apr 28, 2012
t_mac1 Member

Joined:

Jan 10, 2008

Messages:

26,614

Likes Received:

211

jopatmc said: ↑

TMac doing it is a whole different animal. Especially the TMac post injury. He can't hardly dunk the ball anymore. Not the same thing. I'm talking about Lebron.
Click to expand...

TMAC did this quite often in Orlando, when he was a top 3 player. That's how those guys are wired. Wade has done this a lot too the past 2-3 years.

#16 t_mac1, Apr 28, 2012
dsid411 Member

Joined:

Jul 6, 2009

Messages:

411

Likes Received:

11

It's the correct play to make. You have no clue what you're talking about. Wait who are you talking about again? :grin:

#17 dsid411, Apr 28, 2012
rolyat93 Member

Joined:

Dec 5, 2010

Messages:

6,354

Likes Received:

460

Lebron James, if he shot a full court shot his coach wouldn't yank him.

#18 rolyat93, Apr 28, 2012

Air Langhi Contributing Member

Joined:

Aug 26, 2000

Messages:

21,935

Likes Received:

6,685

Yung-T said: ↑

The corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots in basketball and gets your shooters hot. When you have guys like Chalmers, Battier, Jones, Miller your team is made for that play. I want you to find one NBA coach that says it's a bad play, I just don't see your point. When there are 3-4 defenders closing in on James to contest him it's the best play he can make.
Click to expand...

QFT. The corner three and the low post are the two most efficient areas to score from.

<table width="700" cellspacing="0" border="0" bgcolor="cccccc">
<tbody><tr bgcolor="33cc33">
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Zones</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Zone Type</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">FG%</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Ast'd</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Blk'd</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">FTA/<br>FGA</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">S-Foul</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Foul</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">T/O%</font></b></center></td>
<td><center><b><font size="-1">Pts per<br>100 Poss*</font></b></center></td>
</tr>

<tr bgcolor="ffffff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">1+5</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Corner 3's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.425 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">95% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">1% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.04 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">2% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">5% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1">118.8 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="ffffff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">2+4</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Wing 3's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.349 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">80% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.08 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">1% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">9% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">14% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 88.7 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="ffffff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">3</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Straight-up 3's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.388 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">81% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.10 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">1% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">13% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">10% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1">105.3 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="f0f0df">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">6+10</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Baseline 2's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.439 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">69% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">2% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.13 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">3% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">13% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">11% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 81.9 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="f0f0df">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">7+9</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Wing 2's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.385 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">62% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">2% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.11 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">2% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">11% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">15% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 68.6 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="f0f0df">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">8</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Straight-up 2's </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.453 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">50% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.20 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">2% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">8% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">14% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 85.7 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="ffffff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">11+12</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> High Paint </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.450 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">38% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">8% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.45 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">15% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">22% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">16% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 85.2 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="ffffff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">13+14</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Low Paint </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.600 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">54% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">11% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.46 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">19% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">23% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">8% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1">117.1 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="f0f0df">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">0</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Frontcourt/Missing </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.256 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">45% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.40 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">4% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">34% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">41% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 28.5 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="f0f0df">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">-1</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1"> Backcourt</font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.000 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">5.83 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">48% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">43% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="99ff99" align="right"><font size="-1"> 53.1 </font></td>
</tr>
<tr bgcolor="66ccff">
<td align="center"><font size="-1">All</font></td>
<td align="left"><font size="-1">  </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">.469 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">59% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">5% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">0.28 </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">10% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">17% </font></td>
<td align="right"><font size="-1">13% </font></td>
<td bgcolor="66ccff" align="right"><font size="-1"><b> 93.6</b> </font></td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>

#19 Air Langhi, Apr 28, 2012
Yung-T Member

Joined:

Apr 16, 2009

Messages:

24,403

Likes Received:

7,053

jopatmc said: ↑

Yeah, it's one of the most efficient plays in basketball, Yung-T. Wake up!
Click to expand...

I'm saying shots, not plays.

I see no base or logical flow behind your point, I never heard anyone complaining about a guy setting up eltie shooters for a corner 3.

#20 Yung-T, Apr 28, 2012

(You must log in or sign up to post here.)

Page 1 of 10

Share This Page