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Leaked Debate Agreement (No Spontaneity Allowed)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rtsy, Oct 16, 2012.

  1. rtsy

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    Leaked Debate Agreement Shows Both Obama and Romney are Sniveling Cowards

    John Cook

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    http://gawker.com/5951977/leaked-debate-agreement-shows-both-obama-and-romney-are-sniveling-cowards

    Time's Mark Halperin has made himself useful for once by obtaining, and publishing, a copy of the 21-page memorandum of understanding that the Obama and Romney campaigns negotiated with the Commission on Presidential Debates establishing the rules governing this month's presidential and vice presidential face-offs. The upshot: Both campaigns are terrified at anything even remotely spontaneous happening.

    They aren't permitted to ask each other questions, propose pledges to each other, or walk outside a "predesignated area." And for the town-hall-style debate tomorrow night, the audience members posing questions aren't allowed to ask follow-ups (their mics will be cut off as soon as they get their questions out). Nor will moderator Candy Crowley.

    Most bizarrely, given the way the debates have played out, the rules actually appear to forbid television coverage from showing reaction shots of the candidates: "To the best of the Commission's abilities, there will be no TV cut-aways to any candidate who is not responding to a question while another candidate is answering a question or to a candidate who is not giving a closing statement while another candidate is doing so." The "best of the Commission's abilities" must be rather feeble, seeing as how almost every moment of the two debates so far was televised in split-screen, clearly showing shots of a "candidate who is not responding to a question while another candidate is answering a question."

    Which means some of the rules below that both campaigns stipulated to in a desperate attempt to wring any serendipity out of the events may be honored in the breach:

    • "The candidates may not ask each other direct questions during any of the four debates."
    • "The candidates shall not address each other with proposed pledges."
    • "At no time during the October 3 First Presidential debate shall either candidate move from his designated area behing the respective podium."
    • For the October 16 town-hall-style debate, "the moderator will not ask follow-up questions or comment on either the questions asked by the audience or the answers of the candidates during the debate...."
    • "The audience members shall not ask follow-up questions or otherwise participate in the extended discussion, and the audience member's microphone shall be turned off after he or she completes asking the questions."
    • "[T]he Commission shall take appropriate steps to cut-off the microphone of any...audience member who attempts to pose any question or statement different than that previously posed to the moderator for review."
    • "No candidate may reference or cite any specific individual sitting in a debate audience (other than family members) at any time during a debate."
    • For the town-hall debate: "Each candidate may move about in a pre-designated area, as proposed by the Commission and approved by each campaign, and may not leave that area while the debate is underway."

    Here's the full document:

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/110073567

    Who Is Behind The Commission on Presidential Debates? Are The Debates Rigged?

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    lol. when did rtsy's ban expire?
     
  4. Haymitch

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    Is this really a surprise to anyone?
     
  5. mc mark

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    You do realize this is done with every presidential election right?
     
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    I'd expect it to be, but still frusturating that candidates feel the need to have such a controlled environment.
     
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    The real shame about this is that the debate commission is advertised as "non-partisan." It's a shame most people are too dumb to realize the distinction between "non-partisan" and "bi-partisan."

    Because the debate commission is designed to ensure that only Democrats and Republicans take part in the debates.
     
  8. mc mark

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    agreed
     
  9. Classic

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    Watch the video.
     
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    This has been done since '88 when the CPD took over from the League of Women Voters. Especially with the Bush-Clinton debates a formula emerged where they were no longer to be debates and no direct confrontation, etc. Bush-Gore famously illustrated this when Gore got excited about something and made a direct challenge to Bush who turned pleadingly to the moderator and asked if they both could follow the rules and not address each other (or something along those lines).

    It is nothing but canned performance. This is nothing new and for this article to write about it as if it were is dumb.
     
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    Watch the video. There was a school teacher doing an election project and was shocked to learn that there were more than just 2 candidates. That's sad.
     
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    No follow up questions is ridiculous!
     
  13. Commodore

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    how did they ever have debates before there were journalists to control the content?

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    I just did and that also was nothing new. As for the teacher - unfortunately, I am never surprised that there are stupid people out there. Even the email she wrote to the station was written in a poor manner.
     
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    Just pointing out there were pre-established rules for the Lincoln Douglas debates also.
     
  17. Mathloom

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    It's been done for a long time, so it's ok!

    What a silly thought that you would expect more open and less controlled debate over the years. You should be happy that two opposing candidates have the courtesy to come to an agreement about what level of scrutiny they will expose themselves to.
     
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    What's funny is that neither candidate stuck to the agreement.
     
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    http://www.politics1.com/p2012.htm

    Over 25 candidates shown here. I'll bet atleast 15 of these are more honest and honorable than both Obama and Romney, and 5 of them would win in a debate against either.
    The two chicks look incorruptible.
     
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    Wow, this is all news to me. Is this really common knowledge?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates
     

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