League Starting to Take actions against Flopping

In related news, Dirk Nowitzki is demoted to waterboy of the Dallas Mavericks

 

So THAT'S why Vlade retired.

 

This is a difficult issue.

There are those who abuse the flop and manipulate it to bend the rules.

But then again, refs frequently won't call a charge unless the defender flops.

 

This must also apply to players with the ball like Jirk & Manu who act as if they get shot in the back every time they drive to the basket. I will never forget the call against Bowen on Jirk where the camera angle was perfect, the ref was standing right there and he still blew the whistle even though Jirk fell backward without being touched. He also does the screaming (even when he isn't touched) that seems to scare the refs into calling a foul. He should get a technical for that. Flopping to draw charging fouls is more pervasive but it's not the whole problem.

I love this idea but they better execute it right.

 

I think it should be a stat and a technical foul. That way we know who these mutha's are.

 

I guess Manu doesn't need that mane of hair anymore for dramatic effect.

 

Is this an actual rule change, or did they just pull this out of their asses? If a guy tries to draw a charge and flops, how can it be a defensive foul if there is no contact? I mean, call a T for unsportsman conduct or something like that, but you can't just start calling defensive fouls when they aren't there.

Here's an idea: if a guy tried to draw a charge without much contact... don't call a charge

 

This sounds pretty stupid to me, you can't set a tight screen? I'd like to see some video showing what they are trying to prevent. Nothing pumps me up more than when we lay a guy out with a good screen or pick (ie Gary Payton year before last).

 

The point of calling the foul is to penalize the guy for flopping.

 

If a guy flops and there's no call, he's out of position. I think that's oenalty enough, as difficult as it would be to determine if it's really a flop or not.

 

I know that's the point, but they shouldn't be allowed to call it unless it's in the rule book. If it's such a problem, make it a rule. Don't start calling fouls that aren't justified by the rules.

 

You and GoatBoy make good points. Concerning the rules, as long as everyone knows from the beginning what will and will not be called, I'm OK with it whether it's written specifically or not. I would think they had to add something to the rule book for this.

GoatBoy, I think there should be more "punishment" for flopping than just a non-call. But actually calling a foul raises the stakes very high and the refs had better get it right or we could have major problems. Maybe the falling down will stop and defenders will be forced to try and keep their balance when the offensive players runs into them.

For all we know, the NBA has examined mounds of tape and has determined that flopping is easier to figure out than we think. Maybe hands flying up in the air, heads snapping back for no reason, falling down and/or some other observable actions are dead give aways for flopping. Maybe it won't be so hard after all.

 

I agree with the earlier post that it should be some type of technical foul (like a 3 sec.)

Team technical then people will be scared to try it.

J

 

Unless I'm reading this wrong, I think they're saying that it will more often be a non-call, not a defensive foul. It's a bit confused due to his bad grammar. He gives a list of three things and then uses a word, "latter," that is meant to differentiate between only 2 options. He should have said "the last" instead of "the latter."

 

Fisher faints.

 

I don't think they'll ever call a technical on a flop, because flops are very subjective. Most of the time it's hard to distinguish between a flop and a nonflop. If it was so wasy to recognize a flop, the referees could call it all the time.

I am fine with technicals on flops, but only when it's really obvious. Otherwise it's a judgment call and generally speaking you want the referees to have less impact on the outcome of a game.

 

When someone flops, it can be difficult to tell if there really was a foul. But it's not difficult to see the flop. It's simply an emellishment of the harm that was caused. A flop is still a flop even if the flopper is fouled.

So....you call the foul (if you think its warranted) and you also call a technical for the flop. It's a judgement call....but then they all are. After a few calls for the more dramatic flops....players should recognize that if they try to 'help' the ref identify fouls, they'll negate the benefit of the call.

And then the refs will have less of an impact on the game, as they'll be judging the fouls on the basis of the foul, rather than on the overreaction of the guy fouled.

 

Reggie Evans faints too.

 

Mr Stern should put these people in bold on the NBA ref website for the refs to check closely for flopping if he did it to Yao with the moving screen

Dirk
Fisher
Manu