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League rescinds Houston OT calls.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Anderlicht, Jan 21, 2003.

  1. Anderlicht

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    Flagrant on Shaq and the technical by Jackson.
     
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    "The NBA on Monday rescinded two overtime decisions made by referee Monty McCutchen that helped the Houston Rockets beat the Lakers on Friday night in Houston.
    A flagrant foul called against Shaquille O'Neal with 1:11 remaining was erased, as was the technical foul against Phil Jackson that followed it. The Rockets made the technical free throw, along with the two free throws for the foul against O'Neal, but committed a turnover on the possession awarded by the flagrant foul."

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/baske...786.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba-lakers
     
  4. cmellon

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    The link is subscription only.

    What does it mean NBA rescinds. Lakers win the game? And I thought the referee was Dick Bavetta.
     
  5. Anderlicht

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    No change in results. Nba admits it made a mistake on those 2 calls. That's it.
     
  6. cmellon

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    They should admit making a mistake on the out-of-bound calls against the Rockets as well then.

    If Lakers team gave a shi!!ty effort to complain the NBA, Rockets management better shows some efforts to complain as well.
     
  7. Vengeance

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    This is total BS!! First, how do you say that the Jackson call is not the right one? What, did the league say "Well, you were not right in calling a T on him. He needs to get angrier before you should assign a Technical."? Second, while the flagrant was debatable, you shouldn't just up and make a decision like that. It was in the flow of the game, and it's not outlandish to call a flagrant there.

    This basically makes the Rockets win look like a fluke! Why would the league do this? I've never heard of them coming after the fact before and reversing calls. That's total crap!! Now it looks like we didn't earn that win, and that the Lakers should have won. It's like the league is trying to justify a Laker loss. I wonder if the Refs for the Spurs game were getting back at us for beating the league's cash cow . . .
     
  8. SA Rocket

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    I imagine they take it back so Shaq doesn't add that flagrant to a "running total" that in the future can lead to a suspension. If that call doesn't happen,then Phil doesn't get his T,doesn't have to pay a fine,etc.
     
  9. DCkid

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    What BS! I didn't agree with the call, but Shaq <i>did</i> nail Francis with a forearm to the nose when he was going for the ball, and I could see why a ref might make the call. I've seen a lot worse calls than that. In fact, I saw <i>at least</i> two that game. The horrible out-of-bounds call and the phantom foul on Kobe when he went up for a layup and <b>noone</b> touched him.
     
  10. Oski2005

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    What are you guys mad about? We still have the win, I don't see the big deal. Anyways, doesn't the league fine you for getting a flagrant or after getting two. I don't know the rule, but it wasn't really a flagrant and I think i remember now, it's 2 flagrants equals a fine, 2 more equals suspension. So, it's not about taking back bad calls, it's about not putting Shaq in a position to get punished for something he didn't do.
     
  11. xiki

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    It wasn't a flagrant and Shaq didn't deserve it 'upon further review'. However, how does one rescing a 'T' caused by the spoken word and physical actions towards a ref?
     
  12. Jeff

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    The only reason they rescinded those particular calls without commenting on the others is that, with flagrants and technicals, there is money involved. There is always a fine with a technical and flagrants add up and once you get a certain number, you are automatically suspended for a game. That's why they did it.

    I'll say this, if they rescinded those, they ought to rescind Cat's T from last night in San Antonio. His was just as unfair.
     
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    Does this mean Dick Bavetta won't get that 2003 Cost of Living Adjustment from Dr. Jerry Buss now?? :confused:
     
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    We're mad because...

    I agree that Shaq's foul was not flagrant, and that Phil probably didn't deserve the technical. But Shaq did foul Stevie, and Stevie made both free throws. The flagrant only gave us posession again, but Kobe stole the ball, so posession is moot. The bad calls only gave us one extra point (the technical on Jackson), and last time I checked, we won by four.

    Also, I would agree that there were bad calls against the Lakers in the last two quarters of the game, but I would also say that there were equally bad calls against the Rockets as well (like the out-of-bounds call and the phantom Kobe hack).

    Bottom line We're mad because we deserved the win, and we deserve all the credit for earning that win. We hate to see teams (like the Lakers)pull a crybaby act saying that they only lost the game because of the referees. They should, instead, be saying something like "yeah, we got some bad calls towards the end of that game, but so did the Rockets. Overall, I felt that the Rockets deserve the win, though. The bad calls probably didn't make a difference in our loss."

    -- droxford
     
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    it looked like Shaq blocked steve with one arm then pushed him with the other...

    waa-waa.... the lakers cried to the NBA!

    freakin' pansies....
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    droxford, you're right that the flagrant and tech didn't make much difference in the end result. So what are you worried about? If we won on the strength of that tech, then I'd be annoyed. But rescinding calls that didn't make much difference is not a big deal. Fans with brains can see that. The rest of them, I don't care about.

    As for any Lakers complaints about the calls, I think that is pretty standard practice. I don't think it is an issue of machismo, only good accounting. If the roles were reversed, you'd want the Rockets to appeal to the league to have the calls reviewed. Not to say the game was stolen, but just to keep the accounting of flagrants and techs accurate.

    Btw, I still don't understand rescinding the tech. Is it somehow more acceptable for someone to yell at a ref when the ref is wrong? The ref is the ref; he makes the call and the coach can politely disagree. I always thought of techs as a 'contempt of court' charge -- the ref must have free reign with the tech in order to maintain discipline on the court. Rescinding a tech for arguing is always a bad idea, I think.
     
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    If you guys are mad, the Lakers must feel totally screwed after hearing this since it still counts as an 'L' for them.
     
  19. droxford

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    JuanValdez,
    I'm not 'worried' about anything. And the rescinding of the call doesn't bother me. And, yes, it should be no surprise to me that the Lakers are crying about the calls.

    What bothers me, is when the Lakers don't give credit to an opponent which earned the win. Shaq's comments were:
    As a Rockets fan, I find that comment a direct insult to the Rockets. That game was NOT decided by the refs, and it's insulting that the Lakers will not accept the loss graciously.

    -- droxford
     
  20. JuanValdez

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    This is the really insulting part of the quote: "...that was decided by someone who doesn't make a lot of money." If I'm a ref, I think there'd be a few extra calls going against Shaq in my next Laker game.

    Shaq's a bad sport. I can understand how this whole thing annoys you/us. All I can say is it isn't the league's fault; it's just Shaq being unsportsmanlike, per usual.
     

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