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last play illustrates the conflicting talents on the team

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Charvo, Mar 30, 2004.

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  1. Charvo

    Charvo Member

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    Both Steve and Yao create shots for their teammates by drawing in defenses into the paint. However, they are both mediocre jumpshooters. I'm not enthused at Yao's jumpshot. It's gotten worse as the year has progressed since he has concentrated his play within the low post. With Yao on the court, every play should be with him getting the ball in the low post drawing in defenses to provide open shots for the perimeter offense. This is where the Rockets ultimately are flawed. They have one of the highest field goal percentage players in Yao, but the team as a whole is below average in field goal percentage. However, Yao attained that high field goal percentage scoring close to the basket and not taking jumpshots. How many times must Mark Jackson catch a pass beyond the arc with an opportunity to shoot a wide ass open 3 to just drive into the paint resulting in a wasted possession? I saw this happen at least 3 times in the Minnesota game. Matt Bullard commented that the Rockets have to get better at hitting the outside shot. Rockets make it too hard to score points by not having good jumpshooters. Having Maurice Taylor and JJ be the best jumpshooters on an NBA team means you've got problems when other teams have guys like Dirk/Nash, Garnett/Cassell, and Bibby/Peja.
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    WTF are you smoking? Only you could take the last play and turn it in to a way to bash ....

    Here is what the Rockets had to say about it:

    Ridiculous...the last play was perfect, the shot didn't fall. It happens.
     
    #2 SamFisher, Mar 30, 2004
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    Sam, you are absolutely correct.
     
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  4. Charvo

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    I never said the play was not a good play. It's the skillset of the players executing the plays that I said was the problem. If Steve's creating shots for his teammates with Yao on the court, then Yao's shot percentage on his shots go down dramatically. If Yao is creating shots for his teammates, Steve's shot percentage goes down dramatically.

    Only player on the Rockets with a good jumpshot now is Mo and JJ. With everyone else, it's a gamble. I notice NBA defenses agree with me when Yao is always left open at the top of the key. The guy is not Dirk Nowitzki. This is why the talents do not gel, and the offense consistently looks inconsistent.
     
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  5. A-Train

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    Have YOU seen Mark Jackon shoot three pointers this season? Yinka Dare would have been a better outside threat this season than Mark Jackson...
     
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  6. SamFisher

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    This is an artificial and patently silly argument. Every single NBA player of any consequence, in history, ever, always shoots better from close range than from long range.

    You could transpose this argument to Olajuwon Drexler, Magic-Kareem, whatever, and its still silly.
     
    #6 SamFisher, Mar 30, 2004
  7. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Yao hit at least 4 jumpshots yesterday in the flow of the offense. This thread is stupid.
     
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  8. outlaw

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    except they shot it way too early just like Steve's missed 3 in Milwaukee. this team has worse clock management than Jack Pardee.
     
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  9. Charvo

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    Of course, everyone shoots better close to the basket than farther away, but it's the dropoff in shot percentage that is the key.

    How many games have you seen this season in which Yao's jumpshot is an important part of the offense? It's a rarely used play, and Yao even passes up those open shots because he knows he's best close to the basket.

    I watched Garnett pass the ball around to his shooters on the perimeter. However, the important play in which Garnett hit a shot near the end of the game was with him going into the paint area for a short-range shot over Yao. That's how he scores. He uses his body to position himself for those very short-range shots. If the defenses collapse in on him preventing him from getting the shot, he dishes it out to guys like Sam Cassell and Hoiberg.

    There's a reason why the Twolves are near the tops in league field goal percentage, and I just said why.
     
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  10. Charvo

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    Not to compare Yao to Hakeem, but that last play would not have been with Hakeem taking a jumpshot from the top of the key. He would have been down low doing what he always does. Either he gets a layup, dunk, or dishes it out to one of his dependable shooters like Kenny Smith or Robert Horry.
     
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    LMFAO, this thread blows. You are grasping at straws big time. A play that the coach drew up that was perfectly executed, with one flaw, the shot didn't go in. It's a pretty big flaw obviously, but it was Yao who missed that shot. Would I want Yao to take that shot again, you bet your ass. You can't make em all. This is just hilarious, Yao missed the shot and it still some how Steve's fault.

    What credibility do you have now? You want Mark ".094 3pt %" Jackson to take more 3's and say our team is a terrible shooting team when we have the 5th best 3pt % overall.
     
    #11 Oski2005, Mar 30, 2004
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    took the words right out of my mouth.
     
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  13. Charvo

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    Like I said before, the play was not the issue. If it was Nash driving into the paint dishing out to Dirk, then the play works 9 out of 10 times. If this team is going to depend on Yao's jumpshot to win a game, it's going to be mediocre. Only guy who can take a jumper and make it with consistency is Mo and JJ. This is not a bash thread but rather an illustration as to why the team is missing the shooters necessary to win a championship. Of course, this means that either Steve or Yao has to go because both have mediocre jumpshots but are good at creating shots for their teammates.
     
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    Wow and I thought that Les insider thread was idiotic.:eek:
     
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    Wait, we were down by two, so we need any open good clear shot that we can get (Any two points will do in this case). The rule of thumb is that we should not run the clock down if you're down with the clock running low. Just to get the best shot possible which we did. If there is still time on the clock, we can still hope to grab an offensive rebound and have plenty of time to try to score again.

    The two situations were so different. We were down by just 1 when Steve pulled up for a 3 on a fast break. All we needed was two points to get that lead, not 3. He could have easily driven in closer for a midrange jumper or even a layup in the break.

    You should ONLY milk the clock down if you are tied or in the lead. If you are down, just get the best shot possible. Basically, Yao's shot was good because he's got a clear shot at the basket. And Stevie's shot was bad because he could have gotten a better shot given the sitation. The time left is completely irrelevant in both cases.
     
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    Can you tell me why you want your center to shoot jump shots in the game? And you want to let Yao go because he missed his last jumpshot in the last game? LOL. This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard here.
     
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  17. SamFisher

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    So what? As good a shooter as Dirk is, he still shoots around 40% for his outside jumpers (like Yao), and well over 60% for his inside shots.

    According to your logic, an outside shot by Dirk would be a ridiculously foolish play. Just like Yao, he is a much higher percentage shooter from inside than from outside...

    Why does the same logic not apply to him? So what if the percentage points are only slightly less disparate....you'd be fine and dandy with a 46% shot in place of a 67% shot, but there's no way in hell you'd settle for a 42% shot over a 75% shot? :confused: because that's what it boils down too.

    This is so r****ded. If Yao makes a wide open jumper last night, you don't start this thread today.
     
    #17 SamFisher, Mar 30, 2004
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    You take what the defense gives you. You set up for a play that gives Yao a WIDE OPEN jump shot for the tie. There was 18 seconds left in the game and the rockets apparently doesn't wanted to hold the ball till the last second to give some breathing room. In addition to that, Minnesota's defense wouldn't allow the high percentage shot at that point. I felt the Rockets did well with what they were given on that posession.
     
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  19. Charvo

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    I guess folks don't understand what I meant by this thread. I guess that's also why folks don't understand why the Rockets are near the bottom of the Western Conference playoff teams in terms of field goal percentage. The most ideal play given a situation where the team absolutely needs 2 points is to post Yao down low. If he gets double teamed, then the there is a dish out to a DEPENDABLE shooter on the perimeter who SPECIALIZES in hitting jumpshots. It worked for 2 Rockets' championship teams. It worked for 2 Spurs championship teams, and the same goes for the Lakers.
     
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  20. Xenogears

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    The shot didn't fall. It happens. This thread wouldn't even exist if Yao hit that shot. That's why this thread is so stupid. I think the problem is you're the only one who understands this thread. If you have all the answers, why aren't you the head coach then since you claim all of us don't understand why the rockets are 7th.:rolleyes:
     
    #20 Xenogears, Mar 30, 2004
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