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Larry Brown and ramifications on the roster

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rileydog, May 26, 2003.

  1. Rileydog

    Rileydog Member

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    I'm counting my chickens already, so let's say that Brown comes to town. I know he wouldn't be GM, but Les and CD would try to give him the tools to succeed. What kind of players will he want? Les thinks the roster is assembled and that it just needs minor tweaking and major coaching. Accordingly, my guesses are . . .

    1. Posey is his starter at SF. Little question in my mind about this. Posey's game is VERY similar to McKie. Brown won't tolerate a weak defense.

    2. What happens at PF? Brown won't suffer fools or soft play. Will we move Griffin or Taylor? Will Brown recommend that we get KT back after the huge hustle numbers KT put up? It's intriguing b/c KT under Brown's system is a vastly different from KT under Rudy's system. KT is a Brown type player, and would get tons of PT. The PF spot is where we (hopefully) will see a trade. I could see them packaging Griffin or Taylor plus Rice's attractive contract for something pretty good.

    3. Does SF move to SG? Perhaps, but not to create AI 2. AI doesn't have Yao on his team, so he needed to jack up shots. My guess is that Brown keeps his starting backcourt, but gets more out of them. He demands that Francis play defense, and that Mobley defer to Yao and Francis. Brown got his entire Philly team to allow AI to jack up hundreds of stupid shots. Getting Francis and Yao 20 shots a game is far less daunting a task. With Mobley and Posey playing the passing lanes, we should have many fast break opportunities. Job 1 and 1a for Francis will be to play defense and learn to run a fast break. Posey gets major minutes at SF and slides to the SG spot from time to time. Moochie is done.

    4. Cato will have a career year (yes, surpassing his production last year) playing 5 AND 4. Cato's rebounding and defense are what Brown emphasizes. If Cato gets mins at 4, then he might be the upgrade at 4 that we need.

    5. CD and Les get an A+ if they manage to sign a Jon Barry someone else to be our 3rd guard. A rotation of Francis, Mobley and Barry, COACHED BY BROWN, would be outstanding.

    If it is not already obvious, going from Rudy T to Brown would be (is) more significant of an offseason move than any that we could make on the roster (unless you're talking about getting Elton Brand).
     
  2. Rocket River

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    dammit. . . if i had wait 1 minute i could have put the KT angle here

    5. CD and Les get an A+ if they manage to sign a Jon Barry someone else to be our 3rd guard. A rotation of Francis, Mobley and Barry, COACHED BY BROWN, would be outstanding.

    Mobley at the 1?

    Rocket River
    not really trying to waste bandwidth
     
  3. The Real Shady

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    I agree. Lets keep the backcourt together a little longer and see how they respond to Brown and his coaching philosophy. If it still doesn't work then a trade can be made at the all-star break. Brown said that he thought both Francis and Mobley deserve Olympic consideration so he likes their games. Hopefully he can make them co-exist and play more under control.
     
  4. a la rockets

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    But does he like their game together?
    Seeing the history of Brown's roster moves,I'd say there'll be at least 1 or 2 trades this offseason,and I see them being in the backcourt!


    ALA
     
  5. The Real Shady

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    Good point. Maybe a trade can be worked out to get both Snow and KT from Philly.
     
  6. Rileydog

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    Perhaps. If Brown gets Mobley to buy into the team concept wholeheartedly, then yes. We can go a few mins a game w/ mobley at the 1. Run everything through yao. I'm not sure that SF is a much better decision maker than mobley, at least at this point.

    I'd love to see us sign or trade for a pg, but i'm trying to be realistic. mebbe tortonto loves tj ford and will trade alvin williams.
     
  7. NYKRule

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    Alvin Williams is another SG playing PG.
     
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    Call me nuts, but this is the part really interests me. Cato still has a lot of untapped potential.
     
  9. JPM0016

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    Cato is a great backup. For sure the Rockets are set at Center.
     
  10. Almu

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    God...

    Can you imagine the whining in two years from this guy?

    b****in and complainin about todays players. Whining about this. b****in about that. Then it three years, questioning if he is the right coach for this team. Having to pay this guy premium dollars just because of the name?

    PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!

    What can Brown do for me? I always considered Fed Ex a better company anyways.

    Please give me Van Gundy. The guy drove a 95 Civic until he wrecked it in 2001. Now he drives a NEW Civic. The man don't need no money! Pay 3 times less for a younger coach who can teach the game just as good.
     
  11. count_dough-ku

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    Wasn't it halfway through Brown's first season with Philly that they traded Stackhouse once they realized he and A.I. couldn't co-exist together in the backcourt? If so, it's possible the same thing happens here with Steve and Cat. Hell, they may not even wait til the season begins to pull the trigger on that move. We've already seen for the past four years that their games don't mesh well.
     
  12. NYKRule

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    It was sucked up by a jet.
     
  13. Drewdog

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    Check out Brown's NBA resume:

    1976 Denver 50-32 .610
    1977 Denver 48-34 .585
    1978 Denver 28-25 .528
    1981 New Jersey 44-38 .537
    1982 New Jersey 47-29 .618
    1988 San Antonio 21-61 .256
    1989 San Antonio 56-26 .683
    1990 San Antonio 55-27 .671
    1991 L.A. Clippers 44-29 .603
    1992 L.A. Clippers 41-41 .500
    1993 Indiana 47-35 .573
    1994 Indiana 52-30 .634
    1995 Indiana 52-30 .634
    1996 Indiana 39-43 .476
    1997 Philadelphia 31-51 .378
    1998 Philadelphia 28-22 .560
    1999 Philadelphia 49-33 .598
    2000 Philadelphia 56-26 .683
    2001 Philadelphia 43-39 .524
    2002 Philadelphia 48-34 .585

    Career record: 879-685 (.562) :eek:

    Has taken EVERY team he has coached to the playoffs (yes even the Clippers!). Been to the finals with Indiana and Philly.

    Took UCLA to the National Championship game in just his second season as coach in 1979.

    Won a National Championship coaching Kansas in 1988.

    Bottom Line: A proven winner.
     
  14. SLA

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    Roger that baby.

    I want him to stay 3 years.

    I bet in 3 years, we can win one championship.

    Unless.........Shaq and Kobe join the Kings with Chris Webber and Mike Bibby and Peja Stojakovic or something like that...or Tim Duncan goes to the Spurs. Or Shaq and Kobe go to the Spurs.

    ANYWAYS.

    Larry Brown is a proven winner. He is one of the best coaches of all time. He is a genius. He is currently the best coach available.

    GO GET HIM!!!
     
  15. steddinotayto

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    What I like about Brown is how he got Iverson to trust him and made him a better player. Seriously, without Brown who knows where Iverson would be....not a top 10 player that's for sure. And Francis isn't as hardheaded as AI so who knows....maybe with Brown, Francis can be a Top 10 guy alongside a Top 3 Center. I think if Brown is the next coach...with a little time, we can be a BETTER version of the Sixers team that went to the Finals.
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    Larry Brown is one on the top of the list of coaches I would like to see here.

    But I have one question:

    When Hakeem went to Toronto, many many people on this board said he had no loyalty, was only out for himself and money and all that.

    To those people, will you be able to handle it when Brown bolts after a few years with the Rockets?
     
  17. SLA

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    Yes I will. By then.......Larry Brown will RETIRE! He won't coach anymore.

    I'm betting this will be his last NBA team coached.

    He's 62.

    He has at least 3 good years left.

    Who cares about loyalty!

    Les Alexander.....if he's still owner....will come up with some excellent and convenient excuse for Larry Brown to go...just like with Rudy.

    BRING HIM IN!!!!!!!!!!!

    By then...Rudy will be back! :)
     
  18. JPM0016

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    4 years with Brown would be fine. I could live with that. I think it depends on how successful we are. If we are winning championships he won't get in his depressed mode.
     
  19. steddinotayto

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    Why do people think that a coach leaving a team is considered disloyal or quitting on their team? They didn't quit on their team...it was just time to go. For Larry Brown's case, maybe he realized that his team peaked out 2 seasons ago and want another challenge. In Van Gundy's case, he quit probably because he couldn't take it how management kept getting players that didn't fit the teams needs.

    Basically, when a coach has brought a team into the playoffs or even into the Finals, I wouldn't call that 'quitting' or disloyal. If we didn't get anywhere when he was here or kept being a lottery bound team AND THEN HE QUITS...then yea that's a different story.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    I'm not saying it would be disloyal. But Hakeem brought his team championship victories and after the way some things happened here Hakeem just felt it was time to go, and he was called disloyal.

    If you or anyone else didn't feel that way about Hakeem that's fine. But for those that did, I just wonder what they will think about Brown when he goes.
     

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