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lack of adaptation to the zone defense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Charvo, Jan 29, 2004.

  1. Charvo

    Charvo Member

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    Even before the zone defense was implemented, the Rockets were successful with excellent outside shooters. Kenny Smith was great. Mario Elie was clutch. Robert Horry could knock it down. Matt Bullard was an ace shooter. Hakeem was able to dish it out to numerous options to knock it down from outside. How can anyone defend that team? You couldn't collapse into the paint to just mug Hakeem. With zone defenses being implemented more and more to cut off the driving lanes to the basket and prevent easy layups, the importance of outside shooting in the league has been markedly increased. Look at the Mavericks. That team just has bunch of gunners from outside, and they started winning bigtime after the zone defense came into the NBA. The lopsided production at the guard position against the Kings was just indicative of how far the Rockets have gone away from their bread and butter.

    The Rockets are average from the perimeter, but they can get really bad especially if JJ or Cuttino do not have their shots. Also, Van Gundy's defense is just horrendous against jumpshooting teams. The way the defense plays the perimeter is just horrid. How many losses against the Sonics, Grizzlies, Mavs, and Kings will it take before a change takes place? Van Gundy needs to retool this team. Steve is an Eastern Conference-type player now. He's like Vince Carter, Allen Iverson, and Baron Davis. He can't shoot worth a lick but he can get to the basket. That doesn't work in the West anymore. Look at Steve Nash and Bibby as the ideal example of a West point guard.

    If the Rockets bring in a bunch of white guys who can only shoot but not play defense, I think the team can win more than if the team sticks with a bunch of brickers. Zone defenses hides defensive weaknesses of individual players. Don Nelson didn't wait for years to realize he could use it to his advantage. He immediately got gunners, and he implemented a zone defense. In the 1st year of the zone defense, the Mavericks set a franchise record for team wins. Kings set a franchise record for team wins in the same year. That's why the Rockets are mired in mediocrity. The team isn't adapting to the zone defense at all. Van Gundy is using a defense that works on 75% of the league, but it's the other 25% that kill the Rockets. It's also the 25% that are all in the playoffs too.
     
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    Isn't that what Pike is? Cat has been lighting it up 3 pointland.

    Yao isn't being the inside presence we thought he was going to be this year. Teams right now have the option of double teaming him, we need Yao to demand the double team. When you can establish inside presence, it opens up the outside.

    But you're right, I watched the Orlando-NJ game on TNT tonight, and you can see that McGrady is having the same problems as Steve w/ the zone. McGrady's outside range is much better than Steve though, Steve will find his shot again and we'll be fine.
     
  3. Charvo

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    Tracy McGrady is in the Eastern Conference. Steve is in the West. This last game against the Kings was just futility watching the Rockets fight for every point while the Kings were just free and easy stroking from outside. Is it any wonder the Rockets looked so panicky at the end of the game? They had to depend on 3 pointers to catch up really quickly.

    I've somewhat followed Bibby and Nash's careers, and they have always been pretty good outside shooters. Their careers have exploded since the zone defense was implemented. They are arguably the best players on their teams. The question is if Steve can actually get an outside shot at this point in his career.
     
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    The thing was prior to this season Steve had a very very good mid range game. He as so money with a 18 footer after the cross over. Not to mention he was shooting well from the 3 too. I said it before, his problem is mental, nolonger any confidence in his own game. The question is what does he need to get it back. From me defending Francis as much as I have, you know I love the guy, but now I'm really wondering if this is the right situation for him. Perhaps a change of scenery might be what this guy needed and if we can land something like ford + tim thomas + picks back, I'd do it.
     
  5. Charvo

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    Maybe this is a possible explanation for Steve's performance on the court. I think Steve's outside shooting is helped by his ability to excellent ability to drive to the basket. When he is driving to the basket and actually scoring, the defenses have to lay off more. That in turn allows him to get tons of open looks. I think the opposite is happening with guys like Bibby or Nash. Their primary scoring is with their outside shot. That outside shot ability is allowing them to get easy layups when defenders play tight. I don't know enough about Xs and Os to know why this is happening in the league, but I gotta think the zone defense is responsible for it somehow.

    Look at the shot percentages of Allen Iverson, Baron Davis, and the other dominant streetballers in the East. These guys are shooting like Steve. Baron Davis has the same shot percentage.
     
  6. GATER

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    I got a problem with the logic going on here.

    1) The Rockets as a team have the 3rd best 3pt% in the league. They shoot nearly 3% higher than the Mavs.

    2) The Kings, Sonics and Rockets lead the NBA in 3pt%. There is not another WC in the Top 10.

    3) WC teams with players in the Top 50 in 3PT FG%:

    SAC (NBA 1)
    Peja Stojakovic
    Anthony Peeler
    Brad Miller
    Mike Bibby
    Bobby Jackson

    SEA (NBA 2)
    Brent Barry
    Richie Frahm
    Ansu Sesay
    Antonio Daniels
    Rashard Lewis
    Ray Allen

    HOU (NBA 3)
    Scott Padgett
    Mike Wilks
    Jim Jackson
    Cuttino Mobley
    Bostjan Nachbar

    SA (NBA 11)
    Hedo Turkoglu
    Charlie Ward
    Robert Horry
    Bruce Bowen

    DAL (NBA 13)
    Eduardo Najera
    Michael Finley
    Steve Nash

    MINN (NBA 14)
    Sam Cassell
    Quincy Lewis
    Fred Hoiberg
    Troy Hudson
    Trenton Hassell

    DEN (NBA 16)
    Jeff Trepagnier
    Jon Barry
    Voshon Lenard
    Rodney White

    LAL (nba 17)
    Jannero Pargo
    Bryon Russell
    Devean George

    MEM (NBA 19)
    Pau Gasol
    James Posey
    Mike Miller

    4) Steve Francis and Eric Piatkowki are having career worst seasons at the arc. Without Francis, the Rockets as a team shoot 39% from the arc - 1% less than the Kings. Subtract out Pike and the Rockets are .5% behind SAC.

    I'm not sure what the point of this thread is. Someone please explain it to me because neither the Heat nor the Kings played one possession of zone defense against the Rockets. The TWolves tried zoning the Rockets for awhile and it failed miserably. Only the Mavericks play a goofy gimmick zone with any regularity. And that's why they are Irk and Allas. :D
     

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