This is in response to the firing of Rick Sanchez thread in the Hangout. Because of their education, relatively high household incomes, and well-connected networks, a tiny group of people can wield an enormous amount of influence, influence far disproportionate to their numbers. I work in corporate law with friends and family in banking and health-care, and they agree that many of their colleagues and higher-ups happen to be Jewish. Jews, like all people, will exhibit certain biases which can be a problem with issues like Israeli settlements, US-Israel relations, etc. Why is merely observing this success story of a minority group quick to get one in trouble for being called an anti-Semite? Fox News often describes Muslims in unfair terms yet we have no Anti-Defamation League or AIPAC to send powerful, lightning-quick responses that can have personnel changes rendered in a matter of hours (i.e. Rick Sanchez). http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19 By Joel Stein: The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood. Without us, you'd be flipping between "The 700 Club" and "Davey and Goliath" on TV all day. "That's a very dangerous phrase, 'Jews control Hollywood.' What is true is that there are a lot of Jews in Hollywood," he said. Instead of "control," Foxman would prefer people say that many executives in the industry "happen to be Jewish," as in "all eight major film studios are run by men who happen to be Jewish." But Foxman said he is proud of the accomplishments of American Jews. "I think Jews are disproportionately represented in the creative industry. They're disproportionate as lawyers and probably medicine here as well," he said. He argues that this does not mean that Jews make pro-Jewish movies any more than they do pro-Jewish surgery. Though other countries, I've noticed, aren't so big on circumcision. I appreciate Foxman's concerns. And maybe my life spent in a New Jersey-New York/Bay Area-L.A. pro-Semitic cocoon has left me naive. But I don't care if Americans think we're running the news media, Hollywood, Wall Street or the government. I just care that we get to keep running them.
Is it a problem for you that jews are more successful? To answer your question in bold: Because often, by the tone it is said, the statement implies an unfair advantage for jews and, vice versa, an unfair disadvantage for non-jews, thus implying that jews "control Hollywood" (or the financial industry) "only because they are jews" (not because of their qualifications).
Btw, I don't think it's a conspiracy or anything like that. For example, in Rawanda, the Hutus blamed the Tutsis in that language. Rather, whenever you have educated and tightly knit communities, good things happen. In Shia Islam, Ismailis are very much the same way. And my comment about no ADL for Muslims was just a hyperbole for argument's sake. We have CAIR/Council on American-Islamic Relations but imo it doesn't hold a candle to the well-polished PR machine of the ADL.
Not a problem of unfair advantage. Just an issue of a small group of people whose biases can be relatively amplified, and this might be a problem in certain circumstances, but merely discussing it quickly leads to muzzling under threat of being called anti-Semitic.
Well, discussing murders, oppression, etc. in the name of islam (according to the perpetrators) quickly leads to muzzling under threat of being called a muslim hater. Besides, what would you suggest should be done about it - should someone not be eligible for a job despite being qualified "because there are already too many members of this small group in similar positions and that might lead to an amplification of their bias"?
they're not just representin in hollywood and american media. wall street, publishing, advertising, fashion retailing, law firms, hi-tech, public office, medicine, real estate, the supreme court, the D&D.....jewish people in america have the fortuitous combination of being both intelligent and enterprising....get used to it
I don't really care, but, if true, I've often wondered how it is statistically possible that a portion of the 14 million Jews in the world today can do all this at once. To contrast, there are over a billion Chrtistians, over a billion Muslims, nevermind Hindus and Buddhists, etc. So there are around 7 million Jews in America (2.8%). It's definitely true that they dominate hollywood, but I wonder if it's actually true in all those other industries you mention. I'm very skeptical.
I don't know why this would be true, but even if it were true, I don't think it would explain their alleged disproportionate presence in those industries.
Control is the word. Control of their image. Their are very few Black folx in those position so . . .when a flood of HOOD MOVIES and BULL***** that shows black people are this that or the other. . . no one is there to check it. I can say that that a disproportionate amount of the image of black people in the media is negative. This then results in people having a negative image of Black People. Control the INPUT . . .You control the Output. I don't think anything is wrong with what they have accomplished. In fact I beleive it is something to be emulated. Question: Name a movie with the criminal Evil Jew? [not a role played by an jewish actor but that the character was just an evil person that was Jewish and it was central to his character] The list of black evil characters is very long. [We can start with Alonzo from Training Day] When you control how people see you . . then you control how the react to you . . . . Not a good thing .. . not a bad thing it is what it is . . . Rocket River
I also want to point out that Muslims are not fair comparison. If we are talking about Jews as a race, then it's important to keep in mind that there are Jewish Muslims, Jewish atheists, etc. If we are talking about Jews as a religious group, then I think it's safe to say that many of the people being discussed are not necessarily Jewish by religion. The people being discussed can only be linked by race right now, so it doesn't really make sense to compare them with Muslims.
I know it is true for the financial industry. And I know that their networks are very strong. And I see nothing wrong with the networking, really. The jews I have met in my professional life were all very smart and well-educated.
As a Jew, i can tell you that sometimes its a blessing (in terms of being proud of your faith and those who accomplish high levels of success) but its also a curse. As a result of the many, many Jews in Hollywood, finance, and other lucrative industries...you also get a high amount of negative publicity for Jews. Seemingly, everytime there is a financial scandal, its a Jew (i.e. Madoff et al) that is on the front line.....i guess thats why most Jews will jokingly tell you that the biggest anti-semites are other Jews. My opinion on the whole 'jews control Hollywood" thing is that I dont totally buy it. I'm not saying that they dont own/run/manage most of the entertainment companies...I realize that they do...but I know a couple guys who are not such higher ups in that industry and they report to non Jews as their boss (albeit not the owner...but the guy who they "work for" so to speak) I think it may have more to do with the old addage of "its not what you know...it who you know"....and maybe the industry is flooded w Jews bc thats "who they know" to an extent. Im in the oil industry and most of the calls I get about favors to hire people are from non Jews...bc its a very non-Jewish industry....and that who they know. Make sense?
Yes, but what stops black people or any people from starting companies and getting into these positions? As you said, you can't blame Jews for doing well. They've set a great example for success. I don't really care about people CHECKING each other. I feel that there shouldn't be something standing in the way of one Jew telling another Jew "Hey, this movie seems to be very negative about black people." I don't believe that you need to represent all groups of people in order for people to act appropriately. I feel that the most successful and qualified people should be working there, and ethics is a part of that qualification. My concern is with how these companies handle their business, regardless of ethnic/racial diversity in their offices. Is it fair? Is it adequate? I can say without a doubt that Muslims, Blacks and Asians are constantly made to look bad in Hollywood. It is definitely a disproportionate amount. So what do I do? I stop going to the movies. As long as something is profitable, the movie industry will keep doing it. So it's up to us to voice our concerns with our money, no matter how small the amount.
None, but I have only (knowingly) worked with a few jews in my life and they seemed to be exceptionally well-educated and entrepreneurial. Small sample size, I know.
You do know that the owners of Fox News, Sanchez's employer, are a muslim(Prince Al-waleed) and christian(Rupert Murdoch), right?
Ahh my bad, my wording was atrocious. Wow, there is no way to answer the questions in less than 2 pages lol. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
