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Kobe's elbow was more dangerous than Fisher's takedown

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by crossover, May 7, 2009.

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  1. crossover

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    ... and should result in suspension.

    I consider the two acts of aggression by Kobe this series (the knee to Battier and elbow to Ron Artest) by far worse than Fisher's flooring of Scola. Fisher blindsided Scola in the chest and sent him to the floor, maybe winded, maybe with a few bruises.

    Kobe's actions were more akin to strikes to the head. Anyone who has sparred or learnt martial arts knows you never strike the temple and the throat because of the potential fatal injuries they can cause. I will not argue about Kobe's knee in this thread (even though I personally believe his intention was to knee Battier across the side of the head) because luckily it didn't turn out to have high impact and can be called speculation on my part.

    But the elbow was not just physical play.

    I don't understand people arguing that they were both boxing out, playing physical basketball and clearing out with a hard elbow is a common move. I've played physical basketball and there are strong physical moves and moves that are dangerous.

    That elbow came out with the impact of a strike and was directionless (in the sense he flung an elbow, outside of vision). Yet at the same time, it clearly was aimed high (Artest's left bicep on your shoulder... you obviously know where his chest is and where his head is). This adds guilt on two parts for me. One, that he clearly aimed high and striking above the shoulders is bad enough. But two (and much worse to me), that he aimed high but was not sure exactly where it would land.

    That kind of reckless move is just flat out dangerous and how fatal injuries occur "on accident." Let's just be thankful Ron took that to the clavicle or some muscle or wherever and not above the jugular to some cartilage.

    Feck you, Kobe
     
    #1 crossover, May 7, 2009
  2. jlwee

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    No chance in hell Stern will suspend Kobe. And yes, Rafer will be suspended. Did I mention Kobe won't be suspended?
     
    #2 jlwee, May 7, 2009
  3. JayGoogle

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    Lol at Kobe being suspended.

    If anything Ron will be suspended for getting in Kobe's face and inconveniencing Kobe.
     
    #3 JayGoogle, May 7, 2009
  4. BasketballReasons

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    Hey does anyone have a video or a gif or a photo of that elbow, I didn't catch it..
     
    #4 BasketballReasons, May 7, 2009
  5. JamesC

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    [​IMG]

    From another board.
     
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  6. dantonv08

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    Rafer gets suspended for slapping somebody in the back of the head...
    Kobe gets to play game 3 after elbowing Artest in the Neck....
    makes sense........
     
    #6 dantonv08, May 7, 2009
  7. Easy

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    And dirtier. Fisher at least didn't hide what he was doing. Kobe was sneaky and acted like he was all innocent.
     
    #7 Easy, May 7, 2009
  8. vinsensual

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    I totally agree and would add in his previous offenses should amount to at least a 1 game suspension. But does NBA consider potential danger of a foul when dishing out fines/suspensions?

    This isn't the first occasion with the Lakers for this season. Bynum's elbow to the rib of Gerald Wallace collapsed his lung. That could arguably be incidental and no suspension. Ariza's frustration foul blindsiding Rudy Fernandez? Extremely dangerous and no suspension.
     
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  9. rodmanhust

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    For the NBA,
    money wise they should suspend Ron, b/c he yelled at their spoiled babe,
    fairness wise they should suspend Kobe, b/c he made cheap dirty plays.

    So what kind of decision do you think the nba would make~ lol
     
    #9 rodmanhust, May 7, 2009
  10. Cowboy_Bebop

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    If it was the other way around. Kobe baby would've been grabbing his neck and be crying on the ground. At least Artest was man enough to take that BS cheap shots. Kobe is pretty good at faking this BS movement that make it look like it's part of his movements. That's definitely a cheap shot he's hiding.
     
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  11. Tuan

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    Well, the NBA rules state that any elbow from the neck and above is an automatic ejection. Clearly, that elbow thrown by Kobe should have resulted in an ejection. This will be interesting......
     
    #11 Tuan, May 7, 2009
  12. Lonestar

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    any one has the gif / vid Kobe to Battier in game 1 ?
     
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  13. JamesC

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    [​IMG]
     
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  14. roflmcwaffles

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    Hell suspend them both and give the Rockets game 3 :D. Kobe is of FAR more importance than Ron is to us. No Kobe makes Lakers VERY average.
     
    #14 roflmcwaffles, May 7, 2009
  15. JayGoogle

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    That's TWO elbows...

    The first game and this one. Kobe can throw a elbow every game and get away with it.

    I'd be REALLY REALLY REALLY surprised if he gets suspended. The NBA isn't consistent and that's why people start to think it's fixed. If the league wants to shed this image they'd start now by suspending the dude for game 1 at least.

    Everyone says "Oh he's trying to get up!" yeah...but you look at ALL the scrums for a looseball in the NBA and how many times does the guy getting up first knee and elbow the guy still on the floor?

    Kobe was pissed that Battier just got a steal, how dare Battier play defense?
     
    #15 JayGoogle, May 7, 2009
  16. JBIIRockets

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    Kobe should be suspended for Game 3. If he is not, then something is wrong with this league.
     
    #16 JBIIRockets, May 7, 2009
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    good post. i totally agree. screw david stern and his miserly ways.
     
    #17 rox4lyf, May 7, 2009
  18. Scientific1

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    Kobe elbowing Shane in the back of his head is the worse one. Whats worse is nothing will happen to him. Ron had enough of his dirtiness and he gets ejected. Some b/c I tell ya.
     
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  19. LakersPride

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    The only reason you guys are crying for Kobe to be suspended is because you know you would have a better chance to win on Friday.. stop the whine fest.. you guys sound like you're 13.. have you watched 80's basketball at least? this was nothing compared to what the NBA used to offer.

    Fisher deserves to get suspended.. but Kobe was getting position for the ball.. and the way Artest plays crafty Kobe probably had to play more physical to get better footing.
     
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  20. glimmertwins

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    ...I didn't think there was any way Bryant would be suspended but the complete LA homer JA Adande suggested in the Daily Dime that Bryant's elbow may be subject to the rule of the NBA law and worthy of suspension. Considering that guy is the ultimate Lakers fanboy, I'm really surprised to read that from him. He actually cited the reasoning behind the Howard suspension as an example

    I hate Adande and fail to imagine a scenario where Bryant is ever suspended but he has a point - if you say Howard was suspended because he threw an elbow at a player above the shoulders, Bryant would seem to fall into the same criteria exactly. If Bryant isn't suspended then either the league was incorrect in defining why Howard was suspended a week ago or they consider Kobe's elbow to be inadvertent(clearly it wasn't).

    ...I have played some competitive basketball in my day and little elbows are part of the inside game, but Ron has a point that Kobe crossed the line by going high with that elbow. I don't think he was trying to hurt Ron, but in the heat of the moment he was clearly reacting to Ron's aggressiveness just like Howard did with Dalembert. Incidentally, Howard wasn't ejected either just in case anyone still doesn't believe in the "star system". The only difference is Howard's was facing him so he couldn't play the "I didn't know he was there" excuse.

    ....so maybe there is a chance Kobe does get suspended.
     
    #20 glimmertwins, May 7, 2009
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