http://www.nydailynews.com/2000-06-04/Metro_Sports/Basketball/a-68839.asp Basic summary: The Knicks want a point guard, and anyone and everyone is expendable. The 2 main guys on the list are Houston, and Marcus Camby. Camby would go great next to Cato up front. We could offer them either Drew and/or the #9 to be their PG, along with someone else, and we possibly could be able to land Camby. Let's suppose its KT (it also mentions their KT is likely out the door), Drew, and Rogers for Camby (Here's where you get to play the coach HP ) We now just acquired another athletic shot blocker. We have the option of starting both, which would possibly make a nice tandem along with a 3 guard lineup, or bringing Camby, a guy who's often used as a 6th man, off the bench, or Cato. It would also allow the #9 pick to be brought along slower (if it was a HS player, or a freshman or sophomore in college) since there'd be a scoring punch up front. Camby would be a great fit on this team, and imagine if Cato got back to the preseason type...this team could compete with the best of them. The odds of this are probably less than 50/50, since NY is looking to get Payton... ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
Im sorry but it would be a big mistake giving up the 9th pick and trash for Camby. Camby is a nice player but that is too much. Knicks still want to compete so they will go after a veteran player. The top guy they want is Payton and I wouldnt be surprised if he lands in NY next year. ------------------ President of the Moochie Norris FAN CLUB
Camby was a top 3 pick (#2?) and is incredibly talented. But, they will try to get a veteran player. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
Hardaway is a free agent....I don't see why Hardaway would go there, after all the Knick-Heat battles. He'd have to sign for the exception, because I don't think the Heat would do them any favors. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
whats the deal with camby? he is so overrated IMO. dont get me wrong he had a fabulous series vs. indiana last year but i dont think he hasnt done much since. he has a weird looking shot and free throws, doesnt have alot of post moves, isnt the greatest passer and doesnt look for the ball on O. he gets his points just like cato tip ins, layups, and dunks and once in a while some sort of primitive move. what i like about him is his energy and that he plays hard but that can only get u so far. sorry i'd rather have KT than camby. KT is already more polished on O. ------------------ --TEX
NIKEstrad, Then what team/situation fits Tim best? Will he be back with Miami? Mango ------------------ Live long and prosper. Donate Blood!
KT better than Camby? Not a chance. In 1.2 more minutes, Camby averaged 1.9 more points, 1.7 more rebounds, 1.66 more blocks, .4 less turnovers, 1% better free throw, 8.01% better from the field, .14 more steals. The only categories KT outdid him in were assists (.8), and fouls (1.2 less) The Knick offense also was more geared towards Houston/Sprewell/LJ/Ewing, so Camby didn't have things ran for him. Camby also played off the bench. If you compare rookie years, Camby blows him out. Over 2 blocks, over a steal, 14.8 points, 6.3 rebounds, shooting 48%. Camby averaged nearly 8 boards (7.8) this year, pretty good in 26.2 minutes, 4.9 were offensive. We could use that. Not to mention, he's 10X the athlete KT is. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
I could see Toronto pushing to get Hardaway, he'd make a pretty good fit there....Riley likes him, Miami is probably the most likely. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
<Camby is 26. He's not quite into veteran status for me.> Camby has completed his 4th season in the league, and i think he definitely qualifies as a veteran. It's also worth noting that 3 out of the 4 years he has played (have been non-lockout years) and he's played in less than 63 games in all of them (63,63,lockout yr,59), so yes, he's quite a veteran at being gimpy...seasoned vet he may not be, but he's definitely a young vet. take his fellow lotto pick that year, i think i not consider shareef as a young vet, but a star too. other names include ray allen and kobe. <Does Shaq have a jump shot? Camby will get his points, our goal is to try and run, so there would be plenty of oppurtunities to finish on the break, and he'd be a LOT better at starting them.> No, shaq doesnt have a shot outside 5 feet, but the man can hit it a 57.4% this year. camby doesnt have an offensive presence which i totally agree w/ tex on. he doesnt have any bread&butta type moves and cant pound it in down in the post. he's basically been reduced to an athletic hustler/scrapper due to injuries and other players playing well. he does have some upside worth considering which is why he wont be moved for an assortment of role players such as the msgs above listed. they need him to be packaged for a considerable addition, i.e. payton. as far as whom i would rather have, KT vs camby, i would keep KT. we can draft or save up or trade value/cap money for an athletic type who can contribute in the same way camby can. i just think camby hasnt been the caliber player people had hoped. but if the knicks do get payton, theyd kick the pacers around any day, like they shouldve. ------------------ purvis was never short.
I would like to have Camby on this team but not at the expense of the 9th overall pick. He would fit well as an energy type player in the frontcourt that could key the fastbreak and run the floor, but I would rather go with someone like Jerome Moiso that has the potential to be a very good PF in this league. I would trade KT/Rogers/Drew in a heartbeat for Camby but doubt the Knicks do that. I think if Payton becomes available this offseason via a trade demand, they will try to package together Allan Houston and Marcus Camby and make a bid. ------------------ Check out the Best Source for Draft Info Draftsource.net
NIKEstrad: Man, you are way overestimating Bryce Drew. Don't you think over 3/4th's the teams in the NBA could come up with a better point guard offer than Bryce Drew? Drew pales in comparison to Utah's Howard Eisley and Jacques Vaughn in terms of trade value. Mookie Blaylock and Tim Hardaway are available. Hell, if the Knicks are willing to part with Allan Houston, don't you think they'd make a run at Gary Payton? Bottom Line: Bryce Drew does not have starter quality trade value. Ummm...based on what exactly? I'm sure every GM in the NBA would agree that Ward and Childs are each twice the player of Bryce Drew.
yeah, I probably am overestimating Drew. I'm off on that. However, I do think if he got the chance of a whole season, he'd be significantly better than Ward or Childs. The question is when and where for him. My trade idea is probably a little off, it'd take #9 (which would get the best PG available in the draft, likely they'd say Erick Barkley) in place of Drew for NY to even think. Houston for Payton straight up won't work, unless Seattle was really up against the wall. What would go with Houston in that deal? Camby? What if they went after Malone instead of Payton (in the article)? (I don't think the Jazz would trade Malone, but who knows.) What would they be giving up? They'd need bodies in another deal, and KT is cheap and solid. My statement was too brash. ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
All I was trying to say is that most likely most of us here haven't seen hardly any Knicks games this year. Just the nationally televised ones and the playoff games. That being said, you don't know exactly what kind of game Camby has. I do agree from what I have heard and the bit that I have seen that Camby is more of a running, hustling type player. But if your going to tell me that is not offensive game than you are wrong. You don't have to have a post up move or a jump hook to be considered dangerous offensively. While I haven't seen a lot, I do know that Camby's average is better than KT's (with similar/less even??/minutes) so the man must know how to score. Just because he does it on the run or on putbacks doesn't diminish anything. Rather, as Nike alludes too, in this case that might be even more helpful and fit our strategy much better. Then you have all the defensive extras. A couple of other points. No, I don't always believe rookie numbers are a sign of things to come. Just look at Camby as an example. Especially in this case when KT played more minutes and got more shots and touches than he would have on a good bball team (at least playoff team). I personally expect KT's numbers to stay consistent where they are as both Francis and Mobley learn to adapt to the NBA game and the Rockets continue to improve. Finally, how does your 4th year make you a veteran?? YOu can't just bestoy that title on somebody. It carries with it a sense of increased knowledge of the game, leadership capacities, and other similar functions due to years of battling throughout the league. While Camby is beginning to become playoff tested (didnt due too good a job of it this year though), he is BECOMING a veteran, but certainly isn't one yet. So, as I said in my previous post, if the Knicks want to give us Camby for Drew, KT, and Rogers, I would take it in a heartbeat. Or Id do it for Drew, Walt, Rogers, or something like that. I wouldn't, however, pull the trigger if this deal involved our pick. ------------------ When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat!
A few things: [*]The article doesn't say anything about the Knicks looking to trade anybody. All it includes are the writer's opinions on what the Knicks need to do in the off-season. [*]The article says the main needs of the Knicks are big men, not a point guard. [*]Cabbage is right, Bryce Drew has zero trade value. Ward and Childs are light years ahead of him. We're talking about Moochie Norris' backup, for Pete's sake. [*]If Camby was such a "hustler", he'd have a lot better numbers than he does now. Charles Oakley is a hustler, Brian Grant is a hustler, Marcus Camby is a massive underachiever. We're talking about a 7'1" former #1 pick in the draft, for crying out loud. The guy is a major disappointment. I'd rather have Kurt Thomas...heck, I'd rather have Kenny Thomas. ------------------ "Yes, I came from the 80s...but I didn't kill anybody. Give me a break." -Mike Tramp, former lead singer of White Lion
Why would you rather have a guy who scores 8 ppg and gets 6 rpg and blocks only 22 shots total (0.3 a game) in Kenny Thomas ...over a guy who scores nearly 11 ppg, grabs 8 rgp and blocks about 2 shots per game in the same amount of minutes in Marcus Camby. Camby also outscored Kurt Thomas, outrebounded him and severely outblocked him. I mean, I realize he is a dissapointment from where he was drafted. But the Rockets didn't draft him. He is still better than Kenny Thomas or Kurt Thomas and fits the Rockets new run and gun style of offense (and defense??) beautifully. Tell me you're not salivating over those block numbers in only 26 minutes a game. ------------------ When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat!
Camby has lots of quickness in the post. He's a low post threat, he's better offensively than KT. Nikestrad, I really gotta disagree with u here man. Camby is by no means better than KT offensively. Sure, Camby's field goal percentages are higher than Kenny, but Kenny's got lots more potential to become a good offensive player, not to mention that this is Kenny's rookie season. Also, the primary reason for Kenny's low fg percentage was cuz he always jacked up them 3's. I doubt Marcus Camby even has range anywhere near KT. Also, Camby has much worse footwork than KT. Camby is rail thin and can't post up at all. Camby seems to look very uncomfortable when given the ball on offense, especially the few times where he's posting up. IN SHORT, KT is a much better or WILL BECOME a much better offensive player than Camby. Camby's defense may be better, but then again I still wouldn't trade KT for Camby. Kt's got too much potential man. peace ------------------ treasurer of the moochie norris fan club
KT COULD become a 15 or maybe more point scorer. But, you would've said the same thing, except maybe raised that to 20, after Camby's rookie year. Potential only means so much. Right now, I'd trade KT for Camby in a heartbeat. I have no idea who this quote is from, or if I got it exactly, but here it goes "Potential is a word that means you ain't worth a d@mn yet." ------------------ Rockets fans wanted at hoopsboards.com Draft Chat, NBA Chat, Team Chat, and more!
KT COULD become a 15 or maybe more point scorer. But, you would've said the same thing, except maybe raised that to 20, after Camby's rookie year. Potential only means so much. Right now, I'd trade KT for Camby in a heartbeat. Not exactly Nike. Even though I never saw him play, I'm sure that Marcus in his rookie season, never had the footwork, or the post up skills that Kenny has right now in his rookei season. I'm pretty sure that you're looking at Camby's numbers after his rookie season, which I think you should not do. What I'm looking at is skill: Kenny's footwork, Kenny's potential for a good 3 point shot, Kenny's midrange game, Kenny's post up ability/passing. Sure Camby's rookie numbers would say that he has a lot of potential, but you have to actually see him play and see how he scores, etc. All his points were probably just dunks, layups, and tip-ins. His rebounding and defense might have given him that potential, but his offense certainly didnt. So in the end it comes down to: offense or defense. Normally, I'd go for defense, but this time I'm going with offense. It's just that our frontline isnt too good, and I doubt that adding Camby would help too much. No offense, not to mention that he is very thin... Like I said, Kenny is going to be good... I think better than Camby. peace ------------------ treasurer of the moochie norris fan club
Nike, You are entitled to your opinion, but I must side with the KT clan on this issue. Camby is a Cato type player, we need someone who is a low post option, Camby is simply not it. Camby is a follow dunk player, same as Cato, when Cato wants too...sigh. I would rather see how KT develops, we already have seen what Marcus Camby has, I think KT has more in his tank. DaDakota ------------------
