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Khalil Mack traded to Chicago

Discussion in 'Football: NFL, College, High School' started by zeeshan2, Sep 1, 2018.

  1. vjohnson

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    60 mil at signing so they only spreading 30 mil over 6 years?
     
  2. astrosrule

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    no
     
  3. donkeypunch

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    Probably with 10 million workout bonuses each year. :eek:
     
  4. A_3PO

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    It depends (1) how he peforms and (2) if the salary cap increases the way people are predicting.
     
  5. donkeypunch

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    What is it predicted to go up to?
     
  6. A_3PO

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    Supposed to hit $200 million in two years.
     
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  7. conquistador#11

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    what a haul by the raiders. You'd think Mack was a franchise qb. Terrible deal for the bears. Mack isn't the type of player that changes an entire defense like a Ray lewis, healthy young watt. Raiders defense never ranked higher than 20th
     
  8. BigMaloe

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    You can't build a roster when you have a DE making quarterback money of over 22+m. Especially when your franchise quarterback is making 25+m already. That's not a recipe for success.

    There is a recipe for this to be successful, and that's when you have a young quarterback on the rookie scale which Chicago does. We seen it with Seattle around a young Wilson. While he was getting paid pennies, load up around him.

    I think it makes sense for both sides tbh, especially with reports saying it will be the biggest return of picks for a defensive player ever.

    Oakland could very well be setting up
    Probably not
     
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    The Bears paid a premium price, but they are almost guaranteed an instant Hall of Fame type pass rusher/run defender who is just entering his prime to team up with Hicks and Floyd.

    While Gruden's draft history inspires very little confidence.

    I'm leaning towards the Bears on this one until Gruden proves me otherwise.
     
  10. Juxtaposed Jolt

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    I think the Bears aren't just placing all their faith on Mack, but also on Trubisky.

    If Trubisky doesn't pan out, Bears are stuck without a good QB prospect for the next few years. Either that, or you can wait until Rodgers/Cousins/Stafford get older.
     
  11. Hank McDowell

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    Raiders have 4 first round picks over the next couple years, plus the money they didn’t spend on Mack can now be used to shore up other areas. They’re building for two years from now when they are in Vegas, not right now in Oakland.
     
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  12. Nook

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    This is a bad deal for Chicago.

    The Bears didn’t just give up two first round draft picks. Essentially they gave up two firsts to have the right to pay Mack $23.5 million a year for the next half decade. The real cost to get Mack for Chicago is HUGE.
     
  13. A_3PO

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    https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...n-day-ever-khalil-mack-jon-gruden-aj-mccarron

    The Raiders Just Had a Historically Bad Cut-Down Day

    How is nabbing A.J. McCarron the least-worst thing they did today?
    By Rodger Sherman Sep 1, 2018, 10:46pm EDTSHARE
    [​IMG]Joe Nicholson-USA TODAY Sports
    It’s hard for an NFL team to embarrass itself on cut-down day. Maybe they take an L by cutting a recent draft pick, but such decisions are often seen and understood well ahead of time. Maybe they cut one or two players that cause everybody to scratch their heads, but while these choices stir up message boards, they’re still typically decisions regarding some of the least important players on the roster.

    But in a span of a few hours Saturday, the Oakland Raiders made a series of moves that, combined, make no sense. They dumped their one true superstar for a haul of picks that almost certainly won’t replace him, gave up on a player the team just traded for, and gave away a draft pick to completely restructure their backup quarterback situation around a significantly worse quarterback.

    I’m sure some degenerates out there have burned their homes down and put all the insurance money on red at a Las Vegas roulette table. But it’s a bit worrisome that this seems to be the entire strategy of the Vegas-bound Raiders, who are somehow shedding talent and assets that could help them acquire future talent.

    We could have imagined that Jon Gruden would be an unconventional head coach after a full decade as an unconventional broadcaster, but there’s a difference between being unconventional and foolish, and the $100 million coach is trending toward the latter.

    Here’s a rundown of the Raiders’ dreadful day:

    Losing One of the Best Players in the NFL … and a Second-Round Pick!
    Great football players are exceptionally hard to find, and Khalil Mack is a great football player. The Chicago Bears gave up two first-round picks to get him, which is a huge haul. But even so, it seems unlikely the Raiders will recoup the loss of Mack with two first-round picks.

    Here’s a list of every first-round pick the Raiders have ever had. Which two recent picks besides Mack, in their primes, would be worth one Khalil Mack? Amari Cooper and Darren McFadden? Maybe. Players like Mack are rare exceptions. You need a very high draft pick and a stroke of luck to find them.

    Hypothetically, the Raiders’ trade was done in the name of finance. Mack was holding out, asking for the biggest contract given to a defensive player in the history of the sport. (The Bears gave it to him.) But I can’t imagine the Raiders are going to find anything better to spend their money on. There are few players better than Mack and guess what? They’re all also making a ton of money.

    But it gets worse, because stunningly, the Raiders didn’t just take on picks from the Bears. They also agreed to give up a second-round draft pick.

    The Raiders might be bad this season—they went 6-10 last year and just gave up their best player. That second-round pick might be pretty high!

    Giving Up on Martavis Bryant
    The Raiders traded a third-round pick for Martavis Bryant in April. The often-suspended wide receiver reportedly recently informed the Raiders that he might be facing yet another suspension, and so they opted to cut him. It’s an odd choice considering there is no official suspension yet and players suspended by the NFL don’t take up a spot on the 53-man roster or get paid.

    The Raiders took a risk when they traded for Bryant given that he’d been frequently suspended during his career. Probably an unreasonably large one, to be honest. The second that risk reared its head, they gave up (even though nothing was forcing them to), ensuring their investment would result in nothing. The Steelers used the pick on quarterback Mason Rudolph—who will serve as the team’s backup while growing into a player who could take the reins from Ben Roethlisberger one day. Hmm, I wonder if the Raiders could use a young, intriguing backup QB.

    Paying for an Awful Insurance Policy
    The Raiders seemed to have their backup quarterback situation squared away. EJ Manuel had a great preseason, going 40-for-56 for 455 yards with four touchdowns and no picks. They also had recent third-round pick Connor Cook on the roster. But instead of just heading into the season with the status quo, they decided to cut both players, opting to trade a fifth-round pick for Bills quarterback A.J. McCarron. (McCarron did not have a great preseason—we’ll get to that.) This means that if starter Derek Carr gets injured, the Raiders will be rolling with a player who has only been on the roster for a couple of days. But it’s even weirder that they chose to give up an actual asset for McCarron.

    McCarron was signed by the Bills with the expectation that he would start. It was a pretty reasonable expectation: The Bills had the worst quarterback situation in the league, with Nathan Peterman and Josh Allen the two other options. Peterman, a fifth-round selection in last year’s draft, threw five interceptions in one half in his first NFL start—statistically speaking, the worst game any quarterback has played in NFL history. Allen, a first-round pick this April, was one of the most controversial picks in recent memory, and even his supporters admit that he is incredibly raw.

    But over the course of training camp, McCarron lost the job. He played in the fourth and final game of preseason, the one usually reserved for deep bench guys fighting for their roster chances. Against backups, McCarron went 13-for-34 for just 156 yards with three touchdowns and two interceptions. Thanks to his awful early play, the Bills trailed by a lot, and McCarron led a comeback to win the game, leading to one of the saddest quotes I can remember:



    AJ McCarron said that comeback was the most fun he's ever had at any level. Told his teammates beforehand they were about to go down and win and it would be legendary.

    “Legendary”! For Game 4 of the preseason! McCarron was the starting quarterback for two national championships in college at Alabama, and he called a preseason comeback “the most fun he’s had at any level.” This is a broken man.

    Oakland saw this man, a shadow of his former self, and decided they wanted him. And they decided they would give up a fifth-round pick for him, even though he just lost a quarterback competition to a fifth-round pick who threw five picks in a game. And they decided to simply cut both of their other quarterback options, so there would be no insurance policy besides this guy who’d been playing poorly in a different offensive system on the other side of the country.

    The Raiders’ willingness to dump draft picks gives the impression they think they’ll be good soon. Which is an odd stance for a team to take on the same day they dumped the best player they’ve had in a decade.
     
  14. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    If he stays healthy and Chicago's offense can be halfway competent, quite possibly yes.
     
  15. plutoblue11

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    I think Chicago overpaid a bit for Mack, but I think they will capitalize the most from this deal. I know people love Gruden -- often forgetting the Bucs only reached the playoffs 3x in 7 years with what some people called Dungy's team, their offense was as mediocre as ever. Some will say that they didn't have a good QB, yet the same Bucs team with questionable QB play reached the playoffs in 4 out of 5 seasons, previously. Gruden's overall record eerily similar to Del Rio, who just fired by the Raiders. I guess they believe Gruden has magic.
     
  16. GRENDEL

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    I'm a Bears fan and was ecstatic when this notification popped up over the weekend.

    The Bears had plenty of cap room to make this deal happen. They trade 2 first round picks but they get a known commodity in his prime and a 2nd round pick. If the Bears improve, which just based on talent they should, the first rounders will be worth less.

    The Bears defense is improved now that they have a difference maker that they were missing last year when they are a top 10 defense.

    It'll take a bit to gel but I'm really looking forward to seeing where this season goes....
     
  17. J.R.

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    #37 J.R., Sep 10, 2018
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  18. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    That 2nd Tweet. It doesn't even make sense the way it's written. I hate it and it hurts my brain.

    Okay.

    This doesn't make any sense, the use of "instead" here is terrible and annoys me.
     
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