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Kevin Porter Jr: What is his ideal role?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Stat Nerd Perspective, Oct 22, 2022.

  1. Verbal Christ

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    Ohhhhhhhhhh AN ENTIRE SECOND!!! Oh my God! What are we going to do????? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    Time of possession is far more relevant to this discussion than usage rate. I'm fine with a possession ending with a KPJ jump shot. He's a good shooter. His usage rate can be high still and his time of possession going down to a reasonable number.

    And yes we absolutely are going to discuss time per dribble. Absolutely. That is an essential part in evaluating how a offense works. KPJ dominating possessions effects the game. It effects the teammates. How is that not a relevant thing?
     
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    I mean minute. My bad.
     
  4. Verbal Christ

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    Dude you and the other analytics guys are way ahead of yourselves and you should know that. Crying and screaming about the outcome of 3 games and then drawing parallels is just not smart. I'll still be here for game 10, 20, 30 - 82 to reconcile your concerns, but this is premature even for CFans standards is all Im saying. Its cool to have a whipping boy thats not new here, but there is plenty of "blame" to go around for these 3 losses and its not even remotely close to being a "KPJ Problem".
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Like I said. This is a continuation of a problem from last season. It's a culmination of witnessing this for an entire season and seeing it again at the beginning of the following season and being worried it's going to continue.

    I'll be more than happy if in the next couple of weeks that time of possession number goes down for KPJ by a bit.
     
  6. Verbal Christ

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    Got it! "Time of possession problems" added to the list!
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    Ya it's a real problem.
     
  8. Verbal Christ

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    Sure bud - if you say so.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Well, if Jabari could throw a ball into the ocean, Porter would have a lot more assists.

    Right now, Jabari is still learning to play in the NBA, Porter and Green are our two options, we don't have another PG that we could even consider moving KPJ to the bench, and after the org has asked him to learn to play PG they aren't going to give that up after only a year, these are growing pains.

    DD
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    KPJ this season has the ball in his hands more than:

    Nikola Jokic
    Lebron James
    Steph Curry
    Kyrie Irving
     
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  11. Verbal Christ

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    Its not about baseline stats. Its about efficiency and now "time of possession" has entered the chat and was a problem last year even - go figure! :D:D:D
     
  12. Verbal Christ

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    But you said it was a continuation of last year? Did he have the ball more than them last year?
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    I honestly don't know why that is absurd to you?

    Yes time of possession is a valuable stat to see how a offense functions.
     
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    I think KPJ is a talented player, I also think he’s being miscast into something he shouldn’t be. I put that more on the coaching staff
     
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    No last year him and LeBron were about the same at 6. Guys like Kyrie and Steph were less.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Time of possession in an NBA game is meaningless.......how long a team has the ball over the other team? Maybe the other team is coached like D'Antoni - 7 seconds or less.

    Time of possession is stupid as an NBA stat.

    It is a soccer stat, a football stat, but fails miserably as an NBA stat.

    DD
     
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    He's not an NBA starter. He just is who he is
     
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    Exactly. Let him come off the bench
     
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    If KPJ had any court vision and would stop dribbling the air out of the ball we could see what we have. He's just a ball stopper. Awful pg
     
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    The NBA tracks "potential assists", which are how many assists a player would have if the shot was made on every one of their passes. Obviously, players aren't going to hit every shot.

    Last season, here's the percentage of the "Potential Assists" where the shot was actually made for several of the leading passers:

    Harden 55%, Morant 53.5%, CP3 55.1%, Luka 51.1%, Trae Young 56.39% and D. Murray 53.4%.

    This year KPJ is averaging 6 assists/game. He's also had 12.7 potential assists/game. That means that only 47.2% of his potential assists have been converted. Part of that is because a large number of his potential assists this year have been to players behind the arc where the shooting percentage will be lower.

    If you adjust KPJ's to assume that 53.5% of his potential assists got converted ( He's not Harden or CP3, so I picked something in the range of Murray, Morant and better than Luka. 53.5% is actually Ja's percentage) that would mean that his assists would go up to 6.79/game. It's better but certainly not "a lot more assists". That's also ALL of his potential assists. If you just adjusted the passes to Smith then it's a very small difference. Even if you use CP3's 55.1%, his assists are just a fraction under 7.

    The interesting one is Jalen Green. He's had 6.3 potential assists this year but only 2.3 of those are actually being made. That's 36.5% of his potential assists getting converted. That's extremely low.
     

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