JVG would still trade Battier for today's version of Gay

few people look at the stat line that Rudy Gay is guarding too. Its like 1 for 1.
Rudy Gay would ruin our defensive mentality. People here are so constant stat line snooping. Gay can't defend and gives up fouls easily. At least Scola learnt quickly how to defend. Gay still hasn't really adapted

 

battier is better for us now.

but u can't deny the fact that gay is going to be an all-star and potentially a superstar in the future. he jsut doesn't have the coaching to make use of his defense, which he has the talent to be very good.

dude is avg 20ppg on 47% shooting and he hasn't tapped much into his potential. i think he'll be the best player of his draft class in 2 yrs.

 

i'd do the trade again, too. but i'd demand lowry to be included in the deal as well.

 

I agree, Gay might become/be a great player, but he is a scorer. Battier is a shooter, defender, veteran, and glue guy. We are trying to win a championship now. Gay doesn't fit in with that; he's young and wants to become a star. He is not a piece, he is someone to build around.

 

I would still do the trade today too. But has everyone forgotten that we got the Grizz to take Stro's contract off our hands????? That was a HUGE plus of doing the trade. We ridded ourselves of a bad contract!

 

He may become an All-star, but he will never be Superstar. What separates great players from all-stars is the ability to create for others. I have seen a few of his games and while he is no doubt very talented, but he does not have that ability to make others better. I think its an ability that cannot be taught, you either have it or you dont.

 

We got Gerald Green for free, another oversized SF with potential, basically another version of Gay

 

Gay certainly has the tools to be an elite defender. Had he been coached by JVG for a year, and been surrounded by that mentality, it may have changed his approach.

Battier has played well lately. The less offensive responsibility he has, the more he thrives. As long as he isn't called upon to do anything but spot up jumpers and play great defense he is perfect. Let's hope those 3's go in when we make it to the playoffs.

 

The biggest problem with analyzing the Battier deal is that opinions sway unbelieveably based on the team's success. The team is playing great right now, things are clicking, and everyone is saying "hooray intangibles, we love intangibles, long live battier!!, best deal ever."

When the team is struggling to get victories and can't score points, like a few months ago, people are just as willing to throw him under the bus because he can't shoot, can't create his own shot, isn't an elite defender anymore, etc.

I personally like Battier. He's a great role player, but I think we could've gotten more for rudy gay than just him. Lowry would've been nice (but unneccessary at the moment).

Ultimately, if this team has some playoff success in the next couple years, you can call it a good deal. If they never get past the 1st round, I don't see how you could like it as a long term decision, seeing as how he was brought in to give immediate help to this team.

 

can carmelo create jack for the nuggets? does melo make anyone better? he's simply a scorer too. you can be a super scorer (which i think he has the ability to avg 25+ ppg), he's a great rebounder, and athleticism to be a very good defender.

he won't be an all-out franchise player/superstar, but he'll be one of the top 10-15 players very soon.

though i still would do the trade b/c u cannot afford to wait with tmac-yao here.

 

I believe Kobe still burns us every time we play the Lakers.

 

That's Kobe. Everyone can't be a Ruben Patterson.

 

Exactly....why do you think the Nuggets suck? Players like Melo arent anything special......

 

you miswrote the title of the thread.
should read JVG would still trade today's version of Gay for Battier... or so

 

not only can gay NOT play defense, but tmac would have to guard the opposing teams best player.

remember when he had to do that? he would fade every 4th quarter.

 

check his shooting percentage versus what he does versus other teams.

I believe you will find a difference.

adn btw...SO would I.

eventho for the millionth time, it was never a choice for Gay..


b**** at the front office all you want for not wanting the guy, but they NEVER HAD ANY INTENTION OF DRAFTING RUDY GAY. The did it because Memphis asked them to do it as a condition of the trade to get rid of Stro and bring Battier here.

 

Every once in a while, (but especially when we were losing, as an above poster stated) I would notice how much Gay has come along, while at the same time not necessarily seeing tangible results from Battier's presence.

The was really the case on those nights when we would lose for no other reason than a lack of anyone on the squad being able to put the ball in the hole.

Gay can do that, no question, so he has some value. But he doesn't seem to be either willing or able to do much else.

And frankly, as they always say, you have to give up quality to get quality. For whatever reason, JVG and CD had pre-determined that they would pass on Gay regardless, so it's a moot point anyway (the real question is, would Morey have passed on him?).

So we didn't wind up with this young gunner on the team. Ok, well, it hasn't helped his current team much, and ours is currently flying high. Ten years from now, people may perceive this trade differently, but for now, it's no contest.

Anyway, as I recall, Green was just as highly touted as Gay, so maybe with some good coaching and some determination on Green's part, maybe we will be watching Green/Gay battles for years to come.

I guess the only thing that will put this whole deal to rest is when we win a ring with Battier in the starting lineup. Everyone should agree to just shut up about Gay after that happens.

 

So would I. There's no question in my mind that Shane Battier will be a better player than Rudy Gay for the duration of Gay's rookie contract. I challenge any doubters to go back and watch the Rockets-Grizzlies game, and watch Battier lock Gay down and then light him up at the other end.

 

What was Battier's defensive assignment during last playoff?

certainly it was not Boozer.