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JVG says the team is fragile and Steve say not one bit.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DearRock, Nov 14, 2003.

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  1. DearRock

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    I am sorry if this way already posted in another thread. To me it should have it own.
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    Though his criticism was not as harsh as after the Rockets' other loss this season, or the first half of the preseason, Rockets coach Jeff Van Gundy said the Rockets remain "fragile," the emotional equivalent of having a glass jaw.

    "My main concern is not how we played against their zone or how we defended certain situations, it's the emotional stability that champions have to get to the next play, always," Van Gundy said. "Every team has a certain fragileness based on results not going your way. That's probably when I came (to Houston) the No. 1 thing I wanted to correct, and I still think it's the No. 1 thing, just being emotionally less fragile.

    "For us, the next step is when things aren't going our way, instead of playing a bit frustrated, is to be more determined."

    "The reality is that we weren't making shots," Francis said. "Even though they went on a run, I thought we didn't knock down the quality shots that we normally do.

    "I don't think I saw guys frustrated. We couldn't convert. We got the shots that we wanted. We just weren't knocking them down. The way you go about it when you're not knocking down shots, is to play tougher defense. They were getting a lot of easy looks."

    But he did not agree with the term "fragile."

    "When they were making shots, I don't think guys were focused enough defensively to put a stop to it," Francis said. " `Fragile' is for teams that are in the lower echelon of the NBA. I don't think we're fragile one bit."

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    Steve continues to defy JVG in my humble opinion from my distant view. The team, especially Steve and Mobes do appear to be fragile. These two guys literally disappeared.
     
    #1 DearRock, Nov 14, 2003
  2. Darrinlane

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    Oh no.....now the Steve bashers will be out in full force. Duck!
     
    #2 Darrinlane, Nov 14, 2003
  3. A-Train

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    Fragile or not, they're still not as good as we all thought they were...
     
    #3 A-Train, Nov 14, 2003
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    why becasue they are not going 81-1
     
    #4 farhan007, Nov 14, 2003
  5. A-Train

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    ...because we just got are ASSED kicked by a Mavs team that had an off night shooting. If they hit their three pointers, that game is over by the end of the third...The Rockets weren't even competitive
     
    #5 A-Train, Nov 14, 2003
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    But 80-2 is still possible.;)
     
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  7. DearRock

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    Train, in the first half they were as good as I thought they were. I do not know how to evaluate this team when I can clearly picture 4 possessions where SF did everything he was to have stopped doing. The two fastbreaks come to mind, the excessive dribbling, the two baseline bonehead moves against three defenders. He is either fragile and stupid, fragile and corky or fragile and stubborn. The plan is for Steve to be doing what he does with less dribbling. To me that is JVG being nice and finding a small way to start the remodeling of SF. The Steve, last night, showed how far that remodeling has to go.
     
    #7 DearRock, Nov 14, 2003
  8. DearRock

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    Train what about if we hit our 3's. We were competitive.
     
    #8 DearRock, Nov 14, 2003
  9. Rockets2K

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    ciontinues to defy???
    care to elaborate?

    I havent seen him defying VG, and there have been no reliable documented sources that say he has.

    or are you just parroting the speculation that some media idiots and others here who despise the guards have been squawking?

    Since when is it not allowed for two people to have a difference of opinion without it becoming a matter of one defying the other?

    So if I disagree that the Rockets will be Top 4, I'm defying you?

    come on DR...show me some real proof about SF defying VG.

    eagerly awaiting your response...
     
    #9 Rockets2K, Nov 14, 2003
  10. michecon

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    He(DR) is not your coach, thus no defy here. I am your boss (suppose), so you defy me if you disagree with me in acessments. Better logic can do wonder. :)
     
    #10 michecon, Nov 14, 2003
  11. linker88

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    I think Jeff is on the mark. Even though Steve played 5 years NBA, he still does not know how to handle the tough situation. I saw the panic in last night game. I saw SF played quite bit non-smart basketball. I don't think Steve is veteran yet. What Rox need is Gary Payton type of veteran point guard to stabilize the erratic situation and lead team through tough period.
     
    #11 linker88, Nov 14, 2003
  12. MadMax

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    i love steve francis...i really do...he's one of my favorite athletes and he's definitely my favorite rocket right now...but even i can admit that he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again. at some point, you'd think he would learn...but 5 or so years into the league now he's still incapable of running a fast break and still to dribble-happy.
     
    #12 MadMax, Nov 14, 2003
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    I like Francis too but it seems like him and JVG are going to but heads especially after him publically disagreeing with him I wouldnt be too surprised to see him traded for a pass first point guard. After so many years of his same play I dont think I would be dissapointed with that.
     
    #13 forenzi, Nov 14, 2003
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    you call that "better logic"??? oh please! [​IMG]

    mearly disagreeing on a term used to desribe their play is not defying...

    your so-called "logic' needs some work.
     
    #14 Rockets2K, Nov 14, 2003
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    Steve will mature and come along. In some games, I have already seen improvement. I didn't watch the game last night; but when I look at the play by play description, I felt at times he did panic. But those instances seemed to be less than last season.

    In fact, the tone was set at the beginning when we couldn't knock down the shots. As I didn't watch the game, I don't know why? Yet I recalled we got the ball the Cato or Yao every time in the first few possession. Cato missed only once while Yao missed them all from close distance. That clearly set the tone whereas Dallas would not fall into our inside-out trap. Our perimeter shooters might not be as open as the other games in this season. As a result, we had a poor shooting night after all.

    That results in Steve panic quite a few times. As some posters said, he screwed up in fast breaks, in the flow of the game, even in locating the open man or wide open Yao.

    Another period that I missed was when Yao came back in the second quarter, he seemed to be on fire. He made everything. But then, suddenly he had no touch. I don't know as I didn't watch it. Perhaps, someone could explain to me.

    :(
     
    #15 acrophobia98, Nov 14, 2003
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    Try again. I was just pointing out your example of you disagreeing with DR has no bearing on "defy"ing, since you two are not in that kind of relationship.

    Now you two b****ingon and fight it out. Who cares.
     
    #16 michecon, Nov 14, 2003
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    Man, too many typo. I meant to say Cato made only once in the early go.
     
    #17 acrophobia98, Nov 14, 2003
  18. Deuce

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    The proof will be in the pudding. Let's see how the Rockets REACT tonight against the Suns. Will we get frustrated and lose? Or will we rise up and play strong? In my opinion this is JVG laying down the gauntlet and challenging the team to play well tonight. Let's see how they respond.
     
    #18 Deuce, Nov 14, 2003
  19. FranchiseBlade

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    Whatever progress Steve made, at least for last night's game it was unmade to some extent. Steve wasn't the only one, however. Yao continued to play weak. Nobody else stepped up.

    It's just one game, and if we can learn from the mistakes and bounce back tonight, it will be a big step for this team.

    Last night was a game where we really missed Mo Taylor. I'm not saying Mo would have saved us, but when none of our offensive weapons are firing properly it's good to have another gun in the arsenal to pull out.

    In the NJ game when we weren't doing well, Mo T, and Cat kept us within striking distance until Steve snapped out of his funk.
     
    #19 FranchiseBlade, Nov 14, 2003
  20. DearRock

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    Further proof could be in tonight's game. When you have followed this team as long and as closely as I have, you gather a body of information. You think defying is a strong word? When SF is asked about the defense, a few weeks ago, he said the team was top 5 last year instead of concuring that the defense is much better. Then here he says that it is not fragile one bit. This comes after, in my opinion, Moochie played so long because JVG does not believe SF can run the offense. Now is he unable to run the offense or is he not running the offense? I do not know for sure, but when you have so many people out, there is a greater need for toughness, intensity and focus. How stunned must Padgett be, after playing with Stockton and Sloan, and coming here to see SF running an offense and fast break like that? It is enough to drive any player familiar with how the game is to be played crazy.

    R2K, Steve Francis is probably the ultimate "defier" - it is part of his very nature or fabric. I do not need to remind you about how he defied the league and the Grizzlies.
     
    #20 DearRock, Nov 14, 2003
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