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JVG a Genious. Stop with the "fire JVG" crap

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by GrapeJuices, Nov 25, 2005.

  1. GrapeJuices

    GrapeJuices Member

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    After doing a lot of research and thinking, I'm starting to come around to what is going on in JVG's head. Sometimes stuff has to get worse before it gets better.
    That is exactly what is going to happen right now and when JVG's master plan unfolds, the rockets are going to break out HUGE. He is RIGHT, you can't rely completely on one superstar if you want to succeed. If you rely too much on one player, the team is going to fall apart and everyone is going to be rendered useless. Even worse, if that superstar (Tmac) gets injured, the rockets are going to go haywire ESPECIALLY in the playoffs. JVG knows this and that's why he's running the unsucessful plays in recent games to enchance each player's role under the rockets jersey as a TEAM. I know JVG wants to win but i know he'd rather lose a game early in the season if it meant teaching his players how to enhance their game in a certain areas. JVG isn't just running stupid plays and praying for them to work, he's running them so when his players make a mistake, hopefully they will learn from it.

    I still have high hopes for the rockets, I really do feel that this is going to be one of those stories where the rockets were down, fans started turning their backs, and then out of the dust the rockets make a huge comeback and finally win the championship. Once the rockets are able to barely win every other game without TMAC, imagine when he does come back!

    Currently listening to Tupac - Keep ya head up!
     
  2. GrapeJuices

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    If you have anything negative to say, save it for your in laws. Other than that don't post anything here or i'll do voodoo on you.
     
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    It's not JVG fault that our Shooters are missing every open look. it's not his fault that our Primeter defenders are to slow to defend anyone with two legs. ANYONE who says jvg is against running basketball, just go back to when we were firing on all cylinders last season. that team was runing the suns off it's feet. the only problem i have is why does yao have to be used as a help defender on top of the key?. i can understand him being used as a help defender in the post or even the baseline, but top of the key?
     
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    brilliant. this makes you a GENIOUS too.
     
  5. edc

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    (1) With the exception of Yao Ming, every single one of these players is hand-picked by Mr. Van Gundy. That makes it his fault when shots are missed, and defense is poor.

    (2) "running the suns off its feet?" Nonsense. The Rockets were twentieth in scoring in the league last season. At their best they were tenth, averaging a dozen fewer PPG than the Suns.

    (3) Mr. Van Gundy prefers grind-it-out basketball. It is just as reasonable to assume he is "wildly waving his arms" because he believes he will become a helicopter and lift off the ground.
     
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    1. How could it be JVG's fault that a player isn't even shooting near his career average?


     
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    edc, your insistence on using "Mister Van Gundy" in your posts just cracks me up. :D

    carry on
     
  8. Sishir Chang

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    Its JVG's fault for counting on aging often injured players to continue to play at the same level.
     
  9. TBar

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    Problems are more than Van Gundy. He's not shooting the ball. They back court gets open looks and cannot connect. We need someone to move and direct the offensive flow.

    Normally it would be T-Mac - we have no pulse other than him........
     
  10. edc

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    Absolutely. The players need to take some of the blame. However, the coach needs to take as much, if not more. These are "his guys," running "his offensive system." If the best they can do is 3 points over the last 5+ minutes of the second quarter (against the Memphis Grizzlies), something is terribly wrong from the coach or the player-personnel guy. In this case, those are both Mr. Van Gundy.
     
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    My main complaint is the disjointed one on one offense they are playing. They are so good at it they even turned picks and rolls into merely setting screens. Nobody on this team except T-Mac, Yao and maybe Head is very good at one on one offense, so you might want to count on Van Gundy at making them play some fluid team basketball. What a daydream that has been so far. Building chemistry is for the training camp and preseason folks. Van Gundy screwed the Rockets in the preseason by his constant lineup juggling, as a result they aren't good at running them - while they may not have great plays to run in the first place. So thank you JVG we are having another awful start.
     
  12. GrapeJuices

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    If anyone here has been watching the recent games, you will notice that EVERY player is getting better with the exception of Yao because of all the double teams. When it is time, JVG will pull everyone together as a team and the ROX will come out and demolish every team put up against them. My faith in the Rockets hasn't hindered one bit from all you half-witted fans who only stay through the thick times because of the losses.
     
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    i still don't get what the hell they were doing as a defense tonight in the 4th quarter. that stretch where they left guys open for about 5 jumpers is what killed them. sometimes late in a game you just have to man up and quit with the help d because that leads to too many open looks, which is exactly what you don't want late in the ball game. JVG is a good coach, but he isn't great... and i doubt he's the guy to bring houston a championship..
     
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    If, in fact, JVG is intentionally sabotaging his team, as you posit, in the hopes of building scar tissue that will strengthen them to a greater good, then he is an evil little troll. I don't think so. I just think he is in over his head. Confucius was much like JVG - all ritual, no meaning, no flow. The Taoist freed the nation to be by not being. It is only the fool who forces himself against the force. We are what we are, and we find our nature, or fight it.
     
  15. Hakeem06

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    yeah, if he causing losses on purpose that's just stupid....this is the nba. you go on a prolonged losing streak, you're out of a job. just ask paul silas, and a ton of other coaches. that is just dumb.

    i'll use a genius herm edwards quote on this one..."HELLO!...you play to WIN the game!"
     
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    With the games playing like this, it's JVG's fault. YM is not good enough, that's true, but for this Rockets team, even YM not playing, still should have done better job.

    JVG is just a mediocre coach, who said he is better then RudyT?
     
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    I could be wrong, but I think he was refering to when we played the Suns and we out scored them 42-17 in the fourth quarter (at Pheonix). I could be wrong, but thats how I understood it.

    If I understand correctly, the point was that we can score and we can hang with other teams and beat them at thier own game as we did in this example.
     
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    I could have sworn I heard all of this last year. Then all of a sudden, JVG is a great coach and we all believed in him the whole way........right? :rolleyes:
     
  19. edc

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    Nope. Mr. Van Gundy has never done anything to be considered a "great coach." He was, and remains to-date, a hard working, defense-minded, middle-of-the-pack NBA head coach.
     
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    I guess my biggest problem with Mr. Van Gundy is his apparent stubborness. If Alston is sitting because he and Lord Jeff had a difference of opinion-then it is the responsibility of today's NBA highly paid coach to use psychology to motivate and coaching to help them develop the flow of the game. The back court is so weak right now. Head is our bright spot. I cannot describe my disappointment at the start of this season-I actually was expecting a streak like in '93. We have the talent. My bad to expect anything.

    As it is now our offense is so disjointed, jerky and slow. JVG should take some responsibility for this.

    I'm not sure he is a genius. Wait --I am sure.
     

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